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Dungeon Meshi


Alt Names: alt 地牢饭alt ダンジョン飯alt Delicious in Dungeonalt Dungeon Mealsalt 舌尖上的地下城
Author: KUI Ryoko
Artist: KUI Ryoko
Genres: Adventure AdventureAward Winning Award WinningComedy ComedyCooking CookingFantasy FantasySeinen Seinen
Type: Manga (Japanese)
Status: Ongoing
Description: After getting his sister devoured by a dragon and losing all their supplies in a failed dungeon raid, Laius and his party are determined to save his sister before she gets digested. Completely broke and having to resort to eating monsters as food, they meet a dwarf who will introduce them to the world of dungeon meshi - Delicious cuisines made from ingredients such as the flesh of giant bats, walking mushroom, or even screaming mandrakes.

BEWARE!: This Manga could make you hungry.
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"Dungeons & Delicacies," then? Sounds kind of pretentious though.

WAIT WAIT WAIT. I'VE GOT IT.

 

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Uh, that is so obviously incorrect. Farlyn was resurrected despite only a fraction of her remaining (the extreme opposite of your claim)! The majority of her body (her hair, her skin, her muscles, her organs, her blood, ...) had been lost and yet they could still revive her.

I'm sure you know how exceptional Farlyn's case is and how poor it is as evidence for corpse hunting being less severe than plain ol' murder. Dark Magic is neither easy to access nor well-accepted by society, and thus is scarcely pertinent to the issue of corpse hunting and its common risks.

Your other caveats hold no weigh either and boil down to “what if, what if”. Yes, IF the corpse hunters somehow die before reviving their victims then their victims will probably stay dead, making it more akin to murder as we know it. Yes, if they somehow mix up body parts badly enough there might be lasting damage after the resurrection. But why get hung up on hypotheticals? I thought we were discussing the ethicality of killing someone and then reviving them, not some made-up scenario that did not occur. I mean you realize that it is in the corpse hunters’ interest for their victims to be revived without problem, right?

I'll give you that corpse hunters want their victims revived, but I don't think this issue can be properly discussed in terms of ideal situations. Things will go wrong, and when they do, I'm not one for letting corpse hunters say "But it wouldn't be any worse than a mugging if everything had gone right." That kind of clemency is what we give to doctors, whom we expect to make an honest effort at saving lives, and forgive when they inevitably lose some. Corpse hunters, takers of life, don't deserve that kind of forgiveness, and their work deserves the light of neither torch nor mageglow, no matter how professional they are.

What is it with you and strawmen? Where did I say that the resurrection “makes everything okay”? I even plainly wrote in the flippin’ post you replied to that it is still an immoral act ô_ô My only argument is that it is less immoral than murder as we understand it and that as such its punishment should not be the same as that for murder. Yet this position was challenged and so I defended it.

What I wrote was: "I'm inclined to argue that taking advantage of the reversibility of a heinous crime and then acting as though its reversibility makes everything okay actually is a level higher on the scummery ladder than the crime itself."

Are you the one taking advantage? No. The corpse-hunters are. What you take as a strawman is my assessment of corpse hunters, and not of you. If you think I'm strawmanning them, though, that's certainly up for discussion.

Again, read what I actually wrote. I called them dense precisely for implying that this is not a complex issue and that the existence of resurrection plays no part, “hurr durr, murder is still murder”. To just glance over that aspect like Jakoul did is either being disingenuous or dense. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed the latter.

I read both your writing and Jakoul's, and I'm glad we agree on the complexity. I also agree that his reasoning came across as simplistic. What I object to is "Don't be dense." Without that, your message would have been just as clear, and not uppity-sounding at all. I can see you're better than that. You are a reasonable arguer, if a little over-tuned toward detecting attack. Put your best foot forward, no matter who or what!

The official English release by Yen Press is out today.

 

Support the industry and Kui Ryoko-sensei!

So why did she had to remove her pants off for that posture?

Actually, the original Disgaea had the hilariously asinine premise that Earth opened a portal to the netherworld, and was going to invade it for natural resources. Let that sink in.

Was the Earthlings that invaded named Steve?

Damn, Marcille is too cute in this chapter

"Dungeons & Delicacies," then? Sounds kind of pretentious though.

I dunno, it's kind of stiff and frumpy in a way that's a bit cookbook like.

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Ch.66: Baron of Hell Brisket

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There's something about her in this frame that makes her look so gosh darn adorable. I think it's the bangs.

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Actually, the original Disgaea had the hilariously asinine premise that Earth opened a portal to the netherworld, and was going to invade it for natural resources. Let that sink in.

That's the worst position!!

What the fck is wrong with you and this topic? I remember you in the Viland Saga page.
Just because you think death is worse than emotional pain for you doesnt mean it's the same for other. Just argue that with those who suicide because of emotional pain. Oh wait, they are dead!

Pain, both physical and emotional, is relative. Pain can be adjusted to, adapted to, or possibly even ignored and overcome. Death is an absolute. You can't adjust to death.
The only position from which you could reasonably argue that death isn't the worst possible outcome for an individual (in a world where it is irreversible) is one of extreme Gnosticism where existence is somehow objectively worse that nonexistence on a fundamental level.
And as insensitive as it may sound, suicide is the very definition of a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
 

Ultimately, whether death is the worst thing that can be done to somebody depends on the person and their situation. For some people death is the worst outcome, but to say "You cannot do anything worse to anyone" because of that is just plain foolish. ( in fact all blanket statements are)

There are perhaps more morally abhorrent and unjustifiable things that one can inflict on another individual, but not strictly worse, within the bounds of our reality. The better question would perhaps be what things are equivalent to death. (For instance, the complete and permanent cessation of thought is functionally the same)

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Reply to Kelp on whether or not death is the worst thing that can be done to somebody

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Ultimately, whether death is the worst thing that can be done to somebody depends on the person and their situation. For some people death is the worst outcome, but to say "You cannot do anything worse to anyone"  because of that is just plain foolish. ( in fact all blanket statements are)

"Dungeons & Delicacies," then? Sounds kind of pretentious though.

Dungeons and Degustations! :D

Reply to Kelp on whether or not death is the worst thing that can be done to somebody:

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Reply to Arbor concerning the comparative immorality of the corpse hunters’ practices:
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What the fck is wrong with you and this topic? I remember you in the Viland Saga page.
Just because you think death is worse than emotional pain for you doesnt mean it's the same for other. Just argue that with those who suicide because of emotional pain. Oh wait, they are dead!
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Reply to Arbor concerning the comparative immorality of the corpse hunters’ practices:
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Marcille was a magic student for fourteen years. When she was young she watched the wizards and said to teacher "I want the infinite energy, professor!"

 

Teacher said "NO! You will be CURSED BY SPIRITS!"

 

There was a time when she believed him. Then as she got oldered she stopped.

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Duh. But it would not be as bad as murder currently is. Don’t be dense. Murder is so horrible because it ends someone’s existence. You cannot do anything worse to anyone.

 

Really? murder is the worst thing that can be done to somebody? Death ends an existence as you've said. Emotional pain and physical pain end, no matter how intense said pain was in both cases. In some cases death would mean salvation.

 

There are so many things worse than death, you just need to identify something (or most likely, somebody) that has unparalleled importance in the life of another, then you just target said item or person, and completely break it in front of the person who holds it dear.

 

Just ask yourself what you would die for, then you'll be able to find what's worse than death for you.

(Hint: Do you have a very young sibling?)

But it would not be as bad as murder currently is. Don’t be dense. Murder is so horrible because it ends someone’s existence. You cannot do anything worse to anyone. But in this universe, and in this scenario, “murder” followed by resurrection is, at worst, painful and expensive. It’s not even really grievous bodily harm, really, because your wounds will have disappeared post-resurrection.As such the moral ramifications of “murder” definitely are not the same as they are in our world. Yes, it is still immoral but less so than usual. Especially so in this instance where the intent behind the action wasn’t even for the person to cease existing (as is otherwise usually the case with murder).



I can respect your position that standards change when death is reduced to a nuisance, but there are caveats for days. That reversibility isn't guaranteed. A victim's just as ruined as if he were plain ol' murdered if even a fraction of the body is lost (whoops, you're dead now) or mixed up with another body (whoops, you're a mental chimera). And resurrection only works to begin with because the dungeon forcibly traps souls on the mortal plane instead of letting them move on. That's not a fun time if nobody finds your body.

I'm inclined to argue that taking advantage of the reversibility of a heinous crime and then acting as though its reversibility makes everything okay actually is a level higher on the scummery ladder than the crime itself.

This is a case of technology advancing and raising questions in the blind spots of established morals. Do we judge on the basis of the taboo of killing? On the idea that a victim's net loss amounts to a normal case of theft? On the societal cost of such crimes discouraging adventurers from beating back the dungeon's denizens? On a good corpse-hunter's professional standards?

Issues like these are always complex and opinions formed on them are informed by many different worldviews. Your position may be a valid one, but calling someone dense as though your position is self-evident is presumptuous.
Don’t ever use a person as your pickle press.

Why not? That way she was at least of some use while she was petrified. Otherwise she would’ve just been in everyone’s way while bringing only disadvantages to the party. So ungrateful :<
 
 

Either way, it is still murder. If medical technology made it almost impossible for someone to die, to the point that stabbing someone in the heart (even if they could be 'brought back to life'), would still be murder.

Duh. But it would not be as bad as murder currently is. Don’t be dense. Murder is so horrible because it ends someone’s existence. You cannot do anything worse to anyone. But in this universe, and in this scenario, “murder” followed by resurrection is, at worst, painful and expensive. It’s not even really grievous bodily harm, really, because your wounds will have disappeared post-resurrection.

As such the moral ramifications of “murder” definitely are not the same as they are in our world. Yes, it is still immoral but less so than usual. Especially so in this instance where the intent behind the action wasn’t even for the person to cease existing (as is otherwise usually the case with murder).

Laius is super moe.

That punchline killing me mwahahahahhaha!!!

Pickled Vegetable made by using a naked elf buff as stone press.

That is some delicacy right there

here the recipe if you want to try it.. (click image to enlarge)

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Do you really not get the reference?

The most obvious influence of this world's background is the role-playing game "Dungeons and Dragons". Most often abbreviated as "D&D". Now say that out loud and tell me that "D in D" is not a pretty good choice...

 

(Well, ok, "dungeon" could be in plural, to make it more fluent, that's true.)

 

"Dungeons & Delicacies," then? Sounds kind of pretentious though.


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