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Hi no Maru Gaisen Otome


Alt Names: alt Rising Sun Campaign Maidenalt 日之丸街宣女子
Author: OKUDA Ichika
Artist: TOMITA Akiko
Genres: Comedy ComedyDrama DramaSchool Life School LifeSeinen SeinenSlice of Life Slice of Life
Type: Manga (Japanese)
Status: Ongoing
Description: The probably most controversial manga of the year 2015 that has had Leftists foaming at the mouth trying to shut it down:

The middle schooler Kanade gets dragged into a political demonstration by her conspiratard childhood friend Sou and discovers that not all is as it seems to be.
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Some of the issues mentioned here are viable, primarily the Senkaku islands dispute with China, the Kuril island dispute with Russia, and Liancourt Rocks dispute with S. Korea.  The Senkaku islands are most noteable as they were annexed by Japan in 1895 during the first Sino-Japanese war, controlled by the US following WWII, and then returned to Japan in 1972.  China currently argues that the islands should have been returned to China, and agressively challenge Japan's right to the former Chinese territory (especially now that it has been found to be near a sizeable oil deposit hoo-boy).

 

The Kuril islands, known as the "northern territories", is an opposite situation representing an ongoing dispute with Russia who annexed the islands during the tail end of WWII.  According to the San Francisco Peace Treaty Japan was to relinquish control of the "Kuril Island chain", but Japan argues that the four southernmost islands nearest Hokkaido are not part of this chain and thus not covered by the treaty.  As many of the particulars in this acquisition were largely unclarified in written treaty it's become a fairly contested issue.

 

Finally is the Liancourt Rocks, also known as "Dokdo" and "Takeshima" depending on the side, which likely has the most to do with the chapter.  Both Japan and South Korea make historical claims which are muddied by the fact that ancient record-keeping has not proven to be the most reliable of sources, and it is difficult to determine which of the two countries administered the islands prior to the 20th century.

 

This is actually just a bit of backstory, just for those curious.  I otherwise claim "no comment" for the rest of the content.

I'm going to take the less traveled road and say that i actually like how this manga is done and can see the perspective of what the mangaka's trying to express.

 

Sure, people will (and have) decried it as fascist, nationalist propaganda but seriously people, if this was a manga looking at things from a hard leftist perspective i dont think there would even be 1/10th of the outrage thats been written.

 

Yes, in the past the japanese did some epically horrible shit all around asia but thats in the past. All of the people responsible are long dead and buried. Compensation has been paid and apologies (mostly) made.

 

I have to agree with Takaogunz here. at some point in history, every country/racial group/ethnicity has done extremely horrible shit to someone else. something like continuously demanding compensation, like what happens today in some issues, just smells of abject absurdity.

 

tl;dr: leftist hatestorm and QQ influenced by giant bias and hate motivated idiocy.

 

and people wonder why right wing parties around the world are gaining in popularity?

 

oh hey, i'm Australian, i have arrived :P

 

There is a problem with your reasoning. Societies that try to deny and ignore their past wont ever change.

 

I talk from experience. I live in Spain, we had a fascist goverment after a gruesome civil war and then we had an artificial transition towards democracy, there was a general amnisty and no one paid for their crimes during the dictatorship, no one repented or was held responsible.

 

The result was an inmature society that hasnt really changed, we may live on democracy now but most of the population still live on that fascist regime inside of their minds and values. And Japan, even in its chaotic highly consumist society hasnt changed that much either.

Whoa, this must be the most racist manga that I've read. 

>unironically translating this shit

Wew

Fuck you japan

I was really curious why this was rated so low.

 

After reading it, I now know.

 

This is the typical xenophobic and racist Japanese propaganda that's spewed by those black van ultranationalist retards.  Except now its an accessible manga for kids with a cute main girl character.

 

What a load of shit.

Why are all you bluepilled leftycucks on a manga forum? You swine are no true otaku. Manga is the culture of Japan, a rightwing xenophobic racially and ethnically homogeneous country with a redpill for a flag.

I'm going to take the less traveled road and say that i actually like how this manga is done and can see the perspective of what the mangaka's trying to express.

 

Sure, people will (and have) decried it as fascist, nationalist propaganda but seriously people, if this was a manga looking at things from a hard leftist perspective i dont think there would even be 1/10th of the outrage thats been written.

 

Yes, in the past the japanese did some epically horrible shit all around asia but thats in the past. All of the people responsible are long dead and buried. Compensation has been paid and apologies (mostly) made.

 

I have to agree with Takaogunz here. at some point in history, every country/racial group/ethnicity has done extremely horrible shit to someone else. something like continuously demanding compensation, like what happens today in some issues, just smells of abject absurdity.

 

tl;dr: leftist hatestorm and QQ influenced by giant bias and hate motivated idiocy.

 

and people wonder why right wing parties around the world are gaining in popularity?

 

oh hey, i'm Australian, i have arrived :P

Bringing sound logic and informed opinions. Very good. I agree with what you're saying as well. Now get back to shitposting.

I know where this is going.amauie.gif

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another long rant done

The past is in the past.

 

That's why I support this extreme right-wing propaganda emblazoned with the antiquated WWII-era war flag of the Imperial Japanese Army that regurgitates disinformational talking points to justify continuing hatred of century-long-oppressed minorities depicted only as racist caricatures.

I say this very confidently as an ethnic Korean: Our people are not meant to be politicians. Only the worst of us seem to go for the job. Maybe I'm being too cynical, though.

That's every country. I live in the U.S.A. and it looks like we're going to have to choose between a pompous jack-o-lantern and a crazy cat lady.

The disputes between China, Japan and Korea have long past been anything more than base politics. If you get involved then you are either a politician or a fool. 

 

I like how the story actively plays with perceptions and bias but does so sympathetically to the Japan Right. 
I'm going to avoid the political discussions though (Seriously, I lived in Japan for 3 years and its politics make my head hurt) and simply focus on the object lessons one can take from this. 
The setup is interesting, and the execution of the story is instructive on biases. 

I'm going to take the less traveled road and say that i actually like how this manga is done and can see the perspective of what the mangaka's trying to express.

 

Sure, people will (and have) decried it as fascist, nationalist propaganda but seriously people, if this was a manga looking at things from a hard leftist perspective i dont think there would even be 1/10th of the outrage thats been written.

 

Yes, in the past the japanese did some epically horrible shit all around asia but thats in the past. All of the people responsible are long dead and buried. Compensation has been paid and apologies (mostly) made.

 

I have to agree with Takaogunz here. at some point in history, every country/racial group/ethnicity has done extremely horrible shit to someone else. something like continuously demanding compensation, like what happens today in some issues, just smells of abject absurdity.

 

tl;dr: leftist hatestorm and QQ influenced by giant bias and hate motivated idiocy.

 

and people wonder why right wing parties around the world are gaining in popularity?

 

I'm just waiting for Australians to arrive in the manga. That's usually when it gets fun.

oh hey, i'm Australian, i have arrived :P

How could there be anti-leftist manga when manga is leftist by nature

 

Mind boggles

i wouldnt really call manga leftist by nature. if anything, most (but not all manga) is neutral in nature, depending on the subject matter.

You made remember that infamous beheading competition between two japanese officials in China, I don't know if stuff like that is ever going to be forgotten or forgiven, Assyrian brutality is still famous to this day and even if the hatred has faded away since the victims and the victimaries have been gone for millenia, that memory persists, probably that is how things like the Holocaust and the japanese war crimes are going to be remembered, a dark chapter of the human history that is so distant in time that people could believe that things like that could not happen in the present, but sadly that brutal way in which we are able to treat each other is a trait that will remain until we disappear or somehow we manage to create some kind utopia.

Well, you have a point that WW2 especially will remain in our memories because it's pretty much the biggest man-made event in history. Not so sure about the Assyrians. Most people don't even know they ever existed and modern Assyrians don't receive discrimination for events that happened thousands of years ago (though they do, it's more to do with being Christian and not assimilating).

 

The point is, most people have put that behind them despite realising what a terrible, sad, bloody war it was. On all sides. Hell, I grew up hearing stories about my grandpa being tortured by Japanese in their camps. It doesn't mean I hold any hatred or expect any apologies or anything from Japan and its government - the people who did the torturing are long since dead. Why should the people in Japan today, be held responsible for actions a previous generation committed? It's ridiculous.

 

Edit: This kind of turned in to a rant, and what you said didn't warrant it. Sorry. Though I do think you're wrong about how WW2 will be remembered. The best example is Genghis Khan. Dude and his army killed millions, they spread the black plague (though this may be apocryphal) and caused human misery on a massive scale. Many people, historians included, say that old Genghis did a good thing, because his massive empire opened up trade networks, brought peace and stability to a large region of the world etc etc.

 

While long-term, it might have indeed been beneficial, what they forget is the massive atrocities that had to occur for that to happen. WW2 may one day be seen this way too: "Sure, it was bad, but it led to a greater desire for peace, more international co-operation, the advancement of medical, military technology etc." In fact, I can guarantee you people are saying this today.

How could there be anti-leftist manga when manga is leftist by nature

 

Mind boggles

Yeah, and if you think the Korean attitude to Japan is bad, try China, where the government allowed race riots to happen. Thankfully not many Japanese live there so the most that happened was Japanese cars being burned (lol). Honestly it seems to be an issue in the region - demanding apologies and reparations for shit that happened 70 years ago; taking the opinions of a few people as representative of a nation of 100+ million.

 

Apologies/reparations are only useful if the victims are alive. When all the people involved in the crime are dead, you really need to just fucking let go. Unfortunately the victim complex will not disappear until the governments peddling this shit stop. Which won't happen, because it's too useful.

You made remember that infamous beheading competition between two japanese officials in China, I don't know if stuff like that is ever going to be forgotten or forgiven, Assyrian brutality is still famous to this day and even if the hatred has faded away since the victims and the victimaries have been gone for millenia, that memory persists, probably that is how things like the Holocaust and the japanese war crimes are going to be remembered, a dark chapter of the human history that is so distant in time that people could believe that things like that could not happen in the present, but sadly that brutal way in which we are able to treat each other is a trait that will remain until we disappear or somehow we manage to create some kind utopia.

Yeah, and if you think the Korean attitude to Japan is bad, try China, where the government allowed race riots to happen. Thankfully not many Japanese live there so the most that happened was Japanese cars being burned (lol). Honestly it seems to be an issue in the region - demanding apologies and reparations for shit that happened 70 years ago; taking the opinions of a few people as representative of a nation of 100+ million.

 

Apologies/reparations are only useful if the victims are alive. When all the people involved in the crime are dead, you really need to just fucking let go. Unfortunately the victim complex will not disappear until the governments peddling this shit stop. Which won't happen, because it's too useful.

I am just loving this little space of the internet, thanks to this backwards propaganda material I was able to learn a lot about a kinda recent and dark part of our modern history and the people posting have expressed themselves in a clear and respectful way, if the rest of the internet or more like if the rest of the world were a little more like this, stuff like this manga probably would not even exist in the first place; so, even if sounds a little odd, thanks Hi no Maru Gaisen Otome for being a thing even if it is just to provoke positive reactions that debunk the very core argument of its negative message.

I'll go one at a time.

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I only thought to give one side since I thought it'd be more interesting to present a side not often seen, as demonstrated by the comments preceeding mine. Of course, there are Japanese politicians who pander to their voters by engaging in dialogue about war crimes, and it does contribute to strained relations. However, their private opinions do not constitute government policy. Nor do they overwrite or cancel out previous official apologies given. I should also mention that I never really argued the veracity of the war crimes, merely the about the politics that have arisen over those events. As for that monument in New Jersey, I find shit like that quite cringe worthy because although the people building them have good intentions, it's quite obvious that the Japanese would see it as a provocation and a means to incite anti-Japanese sentiments. Rather than bring people together, it's caused controversy and divisions. The Japanese reaction was even more cringe worthy: sending diplomats to protest a statue built in some no name towns in New Jersey and California. I just wish everyone would fucking drop it, accept that not everyone's opinions are the same despite official stance being that the war crimes happened and Japan is sorry, and work together on building realistic sex robots. Imagine ordering a waifu online and sticking your dick in her. Fucking glorious. This is the stuff asia needs to work on, not historical arguments.

 

I think most reasonable people have the same sentiments as you, where Japanese apologies fall on deaf ears because Korean establishment is much more interested in a foreign enemy to scapegoat. Interestingly enough, most people debate the brutality of the Japanese colonization of Korea instead-- citing in comparison to Taiwan, which mentions both the good and bad, Korea only mentions the bad and fabricates even more evils. 

 

Cons: Unit 731, comfort women, annihilation of many cultural heritages and cultural genocide, the Kanto massacre, torture and violent riot suppression, forced labor, ect.

Pros: Explosive increase in population from 16 million to 25 million, indicating better living conditions and eventually becoming one of the most industrialized Asian countries.

 

I guess Japan didn't even treat its own citizens that well, no doubt many Koreans got similar poor treatment and worse. Japanese nationalists  says they had benevolent rule that was far better than native rulers and they helped Korea grow economically and culturally.... And they also kind of state that any libel from Korea is the result of Korea's historical revisionism. This goes to the point of denying comfort women and stating they were merely prostitutes, which is an extremely unpopular opinion. While Korean nationalists swings the opposite direction, stating that Japanese colonization was horribly brutal and oppressive beyond any means, an attempt to completely destroy the Korean identity and peoples. It's probably something in between in the end.

 

But ya, they should just agree on some shit, stop arguing, shake hands, then go boogeyman China instead.... who's actually a real threat and going to eventually steal their shit if they don't unite and resist Chinese influence. I've always had an unpopular view about cultural Darwinism-- I hope Japan culture doesn't get extinguished one day in the future, though. Then I will have to masturbate to actual Chinese cartoons.... that will truly be a tragedy. 

 

I wonder if Japan and Korea would be allies already if Japan didn't do all that fucked up shit and just blame it on, "lol it was war mb bro erryone is doing it". Regardless, a shitton of Koreans probably would have died regardless. Japanese folk forcing their own citizens to commit suicide rather than surrender, starving their soldiers for most of the war(Though, this can't be helped I guess? Both Germany and Japan wanted more living space and food), and eventually getting nuked twice before surrendering. 

 

Gotta stop with the honorable suicide culture and move on to the GLORIOUS AGE OF SEX ROBOT WAIFUS. It will usher in true peace

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I'll go one at a time.
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That's only the short version by blaming the entirety of the dispute on Korea. You gloss over decades of brutal occupation, systematized rape, and wholesale attempted cultural genocide where Japan literally razed Korea's heritage to the ground ("but they built roads on the ashes," you object) and tried to snuff out its independent identity, language, and history. Your timeline for South Korea scapegoating everything on Japan after the North Korean threat abated and only then eliciting a hardline response in Japan doesn't align with Japan's much longer and continuing history of wholesale discrimination against and massacre of Zainichi Koreans. You insist that Korea is dredging up old history, but Japan is trying just as hard to bury it to this day with denialist textbooks, politicians, and diplomats downplaying it in places as far flung and exotic as New Jersey.
 
There is a lot that is accurate in your account, but it is fragmentary and one-sided.
I only thought to give one side since I thought it'd be more interesting to present a side not often seen, as demonstrated by the comments preceeding mine. Of course, there are Japanese politicians who pander to their voters by engaging in dialogue about war crimes, and it does contribute to strained relations. However, their private opinions do not constitute government policy. Nor do they overwrite or cancel out previous official apologies given. I should also mention that I never really argued the veracity of the war crimes, merely the about the politics that have arisen over those events.

As for that monument in New Jersey, I find shit like that quite cringe worthy because although the people building them have good intentions, it's quite obvious that the Japanese would see it as a provocation and a means to incite anti-Japanese sentiments. Rather than bring people together, it's caused controversy and divisions. The Japanese reaction was even more cringe worthy: sending diplomats to protest a statue built in some no name towns in New Jersey and California.

I just wish everyone would fucking drop it, accept that not everyone's opinions are the same despite official stance being that the war crimes happened and Japan is sorry, and work together on building realistic sex robots. Imagine ordering a waifu online and sticking your dick in her. Fucking glorious. This is the stuff asia needs to work on, not historical arguments.

Well, I say this as an ethnic Korean living in the US: You have to remove yourself a bit to really see the big picture. I agree generally with what you're saying, maybe with a few nitpick here and there.

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I see, I see. What are the flaws in Korean education and workplace culture that you've mentioned a couple times now? I'm rather curious.

 

I see; I thought Japan culturally and economically revolutionized Korea when they colonized them, so they wouldn't be that horribly poor. Regardless, reparations were given, and I believe that a fund of 10 million or so was to be redistributed to South Korean comfort women once again in 2016? However, it seems that in every article I read about reparations, it always says that Japan is still "denying" the existence of Korean comfort women while giving them reparations, which I find odd. And most articles I read state that "Japan has never apologized for any war crimes" while there is an entire wiki-page dedicated to formal Japanese war crime apologies. Another thing that's often stated by Koreans that I wonder is true or not, is that Japanese textbooks never mention any of their nation's war crimes.(This is also a common complaint when people talk about U.S history education, but it's a blatant lie. I'm a 90s kid, and all the history books I've read demonized the United States quite a bit.. for fair reason, I guess.)

 

Lastly, what are your thoughts on the Japanese colonization of Korea? This is something I've read very little about, but it seems a bit contested. The vast majority of people say it was a time of horribly brutal oppression and Korea suffered, while a small minority say that it wasn't that bad and Korea benefited loads. The reasoning for this is that Korea ended up becoming one of the most industrialized Asian nations, didn't suffer many casualties like in other colonized areas when rebelling(600k in Philippines, 20-30m in Congo, ect) while Korea's uprising had a whopping 553 deaths. Apparently first President Syngman Rhee consolidating power(had to remove middle-upper class Koreans who integrated into Japanese society) is wildly blamed for anti-Japanese rhetoric, beginning with Japan stealing trees from Korea, to language, culture, property, ect and this paved the way for Japan becoming South Korea's boogeyman very far in the future. 

 

Then again, I'm not sure stating that Koreans fought for the IJN would be a plus since it's stated to also be a "War crime" in a sort. Forcing Korean men to work in Japanese factories, fight for the Japanese in their armies, and taking their women to be used as sex slaves. For a Korean, you seem to favor the Japanese narrative quite a bit. 

 
Iunno, history is difficult and I've never really had an interest. Creating narratives for facts with dubious context from multiple perspectives is shit. 
 
Edit: Regardless, the Japanese colonization of Korea issue is kind of a sensitive topic. Saying it wasn't "that brutal and a product of Korean historical revisionism" is probably akin to denying the Holocaust, Unit 731, comfort women, other genocides, ect. I'm guessing it's something in between, anyhow. 

Ha, so is this the Manga Kenkanryu of the 2010s? Weak trolling in the description.
 

Delicious liberal tears.

And yet the Liberals in Japan are the conservative party, comparable to the British Tories and American Republicans. This is what using labels as insults lead to, you look foolish when trying to apply the same terms to another country.

Not exactly. This reads like a list of all the netuyo memes. Next few chapters will probably be about things like intellectual property disputes, island disputes, the 2002 world cup, etc. Honestly, I can understand where they're coming from, but looking at it from a 3rd party perspective is more informative.

 

The simple rundown of it all is:

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And yes, that's the short version.

 

That's only the short version by blaming the entirety of the dispute on Korea. You gloss over decades of brutal occupation, systematized rape, and wholesale attempted cultural genocide where Japan literally razed Korea's heritage to the ground ("but they built roads on the ashes," you object) and tried to snuff out its independent identity, language, and history. Your timeline for South Korea scapegoating everything on Japan after the North Korean threat abated and only then eliciting a hardline response in Japan doesn't align with Japan's much longer and continuing history of wholesale discrimination against and massacre of Zainichi Koreans. You insist that Korea is dredging up old history, but Japan is trying just as hard to bury it to this day with denialist textbooks, politicians, and diplomats downplaying it in places as far flung and exotic as New Jersey.

 

There is a lot that is accurate in your account, but it is fragmentary and one-sided.


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