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Otoyomegatari


Alt Names: alt Arojen Morsiametalt 乙嫁語りalt Bride Storiesalt The Bride's Stories
Author: MORI Kaoru
Artist: MORI Kaoru
Genres: Award Winning Award WinningDrama DramaHistorical HistoricalRomance RomanceSeinen SeinenSlice of Life Slice of Life
Type: Manga (Japanese)
Status: Ongoing
Description: Set in Central Asia in a rural town near the Caspian Sea during the early 19th century, the story revolves around a young woman, Amir, who arrives from a distant village across the mountains to marry Karluk, a boy eight years her junior. The story unfolds among details of everyday family and community life. However, the peaceful atmosphere is disturbed when Amir's family demands to take her back to their village.
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Chapters

Title Group Contributor Date
Vol.7 Ch.43: A Garden For Two
Duralumin Duralumin 27 December 2014 - 10:51 AM
Vol.7 Ch.42: If It's For You..
Duralumin Duralumin 17 December 2014 - 08:28 PM
Vol.7 Ch.41: The Ceremony
Duralumin Duralumin 05 November 2014 - 12:48 PM
Vol.4 Ch.20 Read Online
Kotonaru IMC 11 May 2013 - 09:23 AM
Vol.4 Ch.19 Read Online
Kotonaru IMC 10 April 2013 - 07:10 AM
Ch.11 Read Online
Otomeganofansub davibleachero 16 January 2012 - 04:28 PM [A]
Vol.2 Ch.11 Read Online
Kotonaru IMC 05 March 2013 - 08:52 PM [A]
Ch.6 Read Online
Otomeganofansub davibleachero 16 January 2012 - 02:23 AM [A]
Ch.3 Read Online
Otomeganofansub davibleachero 16 January 2012 - 01:56 AM


607 Comments

http://raw.senmanga.com/Otoyomegatari/44/1

 

Must admit, I liked this manga better before every other panel was full of sparkles, bubbles and flowers...

I honestly have to agree. The chapters have lost some of the 'grit' I've been enjoying. I think it might just be because the latest chapters are focusing on a rich person in a wealthy world... the topics feel less relatable. 

http://raw.senmanga.com/Otoyomegatari/44/1

 

Must admit, I liked this manga better before every other panel was full of sparkles, bubbles and flowers...

Oh, that's good to know. Bookmark updated.

Looks like the powers that be took down Duralumin's tumblr. :(

Tumblr doesn't usually work that way, so I did the normal, Google-and-see-if-you-can-backtrack-to-the-url-they-changed-to and found their new Tumblr url: http://duratrans.tumblr.com/

Looks like the powers that be took down Duralumin's tumblr. :(

I still have this weird feeling that something was off about this story... that there was something bound to be revealed. Something important... or was it something I missed? Either way, I can't seem to find closure.

It's as if I were reading a text, and [...] kept on popping all over it. Meh, it was probably nothing.

 

Wait... Smith never got to see Anis... was she real?!

It is, but that's because it raises flags in other psycho manga these days that we often read, sometimes we have to remember that this is an old-style manga, where a story is pretty much as-it-is-told, it's just the daily lives of people there..

I still have this weird feeling that something was off about this story... that there was something bound to be revealed. Something important... or was it something I missed? Either way, I can't seem to find closure.

It's as if I were reading a text, and [...] kept on popping all over it. Meh, it was probably nothing.

 

Wait... Smith never got to see Anis... was she real?!

 

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Did you read my whole comment or just gloss over it, looking specifically for sentences you can pluck out and question out of context? I already mentioned where adultery would be an issue. As for the other argument, see spoiler:

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Also, you don't need to preach civil rights and liberties to me. I'm not trying to pass polygamy, or those societies that practice it, as righteous. I'm just telling you the likely nature of some of the circumstances illustrated here. Calm your tits.

Staying within acceptable boundaries in such a society so dependent on good human relations is a necessity

 
The boundaries of men owning women as property. 
 
It is true a human mind adapts in order to survive, thus oppressed female humans minds adapt to accept oppressive situations. But what of it? 
 
In the end it's still the author romanticizing something we now know to be horrid, a culture of extreme female oppression and being owned like property that deserves to be long dead.
 

polygamy is more acceptable than adultery.

 

What adultery do you mean/why are you talking about adultery? What does adultery even mean in the face of polygamy, which by some measure of the word is legalized adultery for males.

 

Here is a thread to discuss it further.

http://bato.to/forums/topic/21409-romanticizing-ownership-of-women/ 

I saw the polygamy angle many chapters away, pretty much from the beginning even, it was clearly building up to that. 

 

If it were just about friendship, she would spend time with her friend outside the bath and ask her husband to give money to her family. Instead friendship was the angle the author used to make polygamy sound better, it was a tool, not the end.  A arc for justifying women needing to get married, desperate to get married (the aggressive twins) A arc for women needing to obey men even extremely remotely related to them by second hand marriage even on something as personal as who she marries (the story arc talked about in my Mr Smith wimps out thread) Even the original arc was about a dispute over ownership of a women through marriage verses blood. And there is that cousin women who was looking to get married. Surely you aren't missing this obvious pattern here? Aside from the invasion arc, (which is related to the ownership of a women with marriage verses blood arc) there hasn't been a arc that hasn't talked about men owning women as though it were completely natural and right.

A husband providing for another woman has its implications. Within their society, polygamy is more acceptable than adultery. Staying within acceptable boundaries in such a society so dependent on good human relations is a necessity I expanded on slightly in another comment. You may consider these mere excuses, but you're doing so from a position of leisure.

On another note, not every story, either historically accurate or not, needs to be politically correct. There are a great many manga (and other forms of media) that feature females abusing males as though it's completely natural and right. Empowering, even. Obviously, something being sexist and wrong doesn't really matter in the world of entertainment.

I saw the polygamy angle many chapters away, pretty much from the beginning even, it was clearly building up to that. 

 

If it were just about friendship, she would spend time with her friend outside the bath and ask her husband to give money to her family. Instead friendship was the angle the author used to make polygamy sound better, it was a tool, not the end.  A arc for justifying women needing to get married, desperate to get married (the aggressive twins) A arc for women needing to obey men even extremely remotely related to them by second hand marriage even on something as personal as who she marries (the story arc talked about in my Mr Smith wimps out thread) Even the original arc was about a dispute over ownership of a women through marriage verses blood. And there is that cousin women who was looking to get married. Surely you aren't missing this obvious pattern here? Aside from the invasion arc, (which is related to the ownership of a women with marriage verses blood arc) there hasn't been a arc that hasn't talked about men owning women as though it were completely natural and right.

This arc is not about polygamy, but about friendship. The moral judgements about polygamy are nonsense here. On the contrary, talking only about friendship, Mori simply has gifted us with the story of a beautiful friendship and about how friendship is a bow that can make the life easier. Such a great arc by her. 

No one can rightly say polygamy is good, if the unspoken addendum is on of "if you are talking about the kind with one husband, many wives, but the reverse is no good" If polygamy is fine, then it should work both ways, a wife should be able to have many husbands. 

 

But in fact, polygamy only works if there is a high level of sexism involved. When you say it is alright for one guy to marry say 5 wives or more, you are saying that one person is of equal or more value then all his spouses. Without the sexism, natural jealousy and issues of control over the household arise, (without the husband being the ultimate authority figure/owner)

 

But really, the problem is that, she should be able to visit this women directly, or have the friend visit her, without it being limited to a bathouse. And she should be able to help her and her family financially without her husband marrying her too. Was the husband too selfish to do this, or are they really saying he will be mobbed in the street for giving money to a women or her family hes not related to, or letting his wife visit her outside the bathhouse?

 

Well the author goes out of his way to say that male dominated culture is fine, of value even. And some readers say "it's alright because its historically accurate".  See my "Mr Smith wimps out" thread.

Well, as someone from Malaysia, where polygamy is legal... I can't really say it's good or bad.

 

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Well, this arc was indeed interesting. I'm not saying the situation is realistic, but, like I said, I've seen a case almost similar to it.
On to the next arc!!!

So did they skip over the whole wedding ceremony or did they just not have it yet?

 

 

I think a lot of us could see this coming the minute they asked her to find a "sister". 

I didn't see this coming at all (until the death happened) but there is this feeling of inevitable impending doom more so since...

that is quite some... friendship

Wasn't she suppossed to marry the husband?
Because to me it looks more like she's marrying the wife :D

The world back then, yes... Today we have McDonalds, Iphones and Cola everywhere and what little cultural difference there remains is vanishing. It just wouldn't be as exciting.

as all other have said before me, those things do affect lifestyle yes, but not cultural differences. just for example, japanese still bows as a means of greetings even though shaking hands more common everywhere else.

I think a lot of us could see this coming the minute they asked her to find a "sister". 

The world back then, yes... Today we have McDonalds, Iphones and Cola everywhere and what little cultural difference there remains is vanishing. It just wouldn't be as exciting.

The McDonald's menu isn't the same everywhere. While still cheap knock-offs of their authentic dishes, there's still a lot of cultural difference between almost any two nations/regions including what their McDonald's serves. To a lesser extent, the same is true for Coke-a-Cola in their assortment of mixed flavours. Again, they're all still crap compared to authentic local foods, but the cultural differences are clear.

The world back then, yes... Today we have McDonalds, Iphones and Cola everywhere and what little cultural difference there remains is vanishing. It just wouldn't be as exciting.

As someone who has been to several modern countries I can tell you that there is still a large cultural difference. It's just might be more subtle than it used to be

I have the nagging feeling that this whole arc was simply leading up to this moment:


Spoiler

And I am entirely okay with this.

I know one dude who wanted to marry a school teacher, she said she wont accept unless he marry three of her friends in the school. So he endded up marrying 4 girls in one wedding. This story happened in my home town.

 

Where the hell is your hometown lol.

 

@maffa: your guess on Polygamy different from place to place is correct. In Asia nation, particular one that were influenced by Chinese culture, In the past, polygamy is regard as illegal. A man could not have more than one wife but he could have as many concubines as he want.

I know one dude who wanted to marry a school teacher, she said she wont accept unless he marry three of her friends in the school. So he endded up marrying 4 girls in one wedding. This story happened in my home town.

@sssr @forever young
 
i understand your point, and moreso since im fron Italy, another country among those that are easy prey for stereotypes.
 
But i guess @Melcyna's question remains still: is it so incoherent that for that time, that place, this situation has taken place? Bear in mind, the fated meeting between Anis and Shirin is sooo shoujo-esque so it's hardly believable, but is what comes after so hard to believe? 
 
There is a famous example i coud mention for a very misunderstood tradition in the western medieval world, the infamous

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You had both a very strong reaction, so i ask: is it because it's just plain wrong, or it's just a "oh gosh yet another Italian character making pizza / chatting up a girl he's just met / gesticulating like he's tormented by a swarm of mosquitoes"?

well, as sssr said before, polygamy is prohibited in my country (Turkey) but it doesn't change the core of the story of it.
 
 
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And your last paragraph is also one of my points :) 'oh gosh yet another Italian character making pizza / chatting up a girl he's just met / gesticulating like he's tormented by a swarm of mosquitoes"?' I'm pissed off to Mori-san because of that, yes. And I thought Japanese people would be more considerate about this delicate issue but I see she just didn't care. Btw I'm not against harem anime or manga, that's another thing. They are made for fun, but the thing in this manga is different. But I can't help myself enjoying this manga too :D I hope my bad English was sufficent for me to express myself.

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