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Shoukoku no Altair


Alt Names: alt ALTAIR ดาวจรัสฟ้า อินทรีถลาลมalt Altair ve Savaşlar Kitabıalt Altair: A Record of Battlesalt 将国のアルタイルalt 将国之天鹰星alt Bizden Biri "Altair"alt Shokoku no Altairalt Türkiyeli al-Nasr Altairalt The Rising Eagle of the General Nation
Author: KATO Kotono
Artist: KATO Kotono
Genres: Action ActionAdventure AdventureAward Winning Award WinningDrama DramaFantasy FantasyHistorical HistoricalSeinen Seinen
Type: Manga (Japanese)
Status: Ongoing
Description: For generations the Turkiye Devleti and the Balt-Rhein Empire have stood in stern opposition to each other. Then one night, when an imperial minister is found assassinated, the two nations are plunged into a potentially explosive situation. As the generals of Turkiye's council cry for war, Mahmut comes to discover the devious truth behind the assassination. Thus the young pasha's battle for his country, peace, and trust in his fellow man begins!

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Chapters

Title Group Contributor Date
Vol.19 Ch.100.2: Guest Special 2
Sense-Scans KidCongo 2 weeks ago
Vol.19 Ch.100.1: Guest Special 1
Sense-Scans KidCongo 2 weeks ago
Vol.2 Ch.8: Fakir Hırsız
ToraScans Staszeq A day ago
Vol.2 Ch.7: Miasto-Oaza
ToraScans Staszeq A day ago
Vol.2 Ch.6: Rada paszów
ToraScans Staszeq A day ago
Vol.1 Ch.5: Twierdza
ToraScans Staszeq 2 weeks ago
Vol.1 Ch.1: Pasza "Złoty Orzeł"
ToraScans Staszeq 2 weeks ago
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379 Comments

I hope the duchess won't succeed.

Don't worry, the Nottoman Empire has been incapable of failure for this entire arc.

Tiny baby bird is cute <3

I hate it when AI sieged my capital when I sieged their capital, should have not skimped the castle investment..

mfw Nurzan is the strongest living pasha ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Even stronger than the Kurt Kurt?

Damn those rose hair game of his is p strong

even Hannibal's army took huge attrition so i dont see why this 40k troops  not take any .

I'd say, have patience. They may well have taken a great deal of losses from attrition, but the intelligence everyone is working off of is outdated and in the kind of chaos occurring in Turkiyye no one is going to be able to make an accurate assessment of her current forces. If anything it's a wonder characters aren't vastly overestimating the size of her army, as generally happened in historical parallels. How she managed it where no one had even considered the possibility before, we are bound to find out in later chapters.

 

Also, Urado's cavalry consistently defeated imperial armies because, previously, only lightly armed levies were able to make it over the mountains. There were several pages curiously dedicated to emphasizing this. Fully armed regulars in close array, like Sud army, and Leyderlick's knightly cavalry are an out of context problem, one they've never encountered on the field before. The former are for all intents and purposes impervious to their normal tactics and the latter are bound to be superior to the northern lancers at their own game, so frankly it's much harder to imagine how they could have made a successful impact beyond acting out of character. Even from a purely dramatic standpoint, if you go back to earlier chapters, the mangaka's choice of paneling and framing laid some fairly heavy foreshadowing that Zsigmond III's overweening pride would have tragic consequences. As of now that Chekhov's gun has fired. They'll surely get their revenge later but for now, this is a particularly great setup and denouement.

 

I have to say I'm pretty pleased with this chapter. A lot of what I found frustrating previously has actually proved to be clever backstage work for a really thorny dilemma with very real dramatic stakes - involving characters and places we have spent significant time engaged with - and an antagonist who has had some buildup over the course of the entire series. There were a lot of Chekhov's guns laid in series that I thought the mangaka had either forgotten about or had never intended to use, but now they're firing off all at once. I don't know if it fully justifies what I feel to be a pacing issue, but it's a strong return to form for a comic that had been somewhat sinking in my estimation as of late.

 

Mixed feelings on this current chapter

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SHE MUST BE DESCENDED FROM THE GREAT GENERAL HANNIBAL BARCA!

 

even Hannibal's army took huge attrition so i dont see why this 40k troops  not take any . im pretty sure they arent used to winter too . even if the Urado calvary got flanked im still surprised how easily they were defeated...wish i could see how exactly . 1 more thing , how can an army of 40k that was routed has the supplies anyway?

mfw Nurzan is the strongest living pasha ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Mixed feelings on this current chapter

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As I see these things,

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Mixed feelings on this current chapter

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Not sure what annoys me more.
 
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SHE MUST BE DESCENDED FROM THE GREAT GENERAL HANNIBAL BARCA!

Not sure what annoys me more.

 

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You got to love the SUD army!!

Scipio Africanus & Sun Bin like this.

''Attack Wei to save Zhao''

I have to say I was pretty upset myself. Bhalt-Rhein has been an incredibly toothless antagonist for the past 20-40 chapters, to the point that it became difficult to take any of their initiatives seriously without wondering how they'd been set up for humiliating failure. It was getting to the point where the pacing seemed excruciatingly long-winded in tying the loose ends of its mid-arc, instead of setting up the civil war it is signaling will eventually break out between Mahmut and Zarganos.

 

So the current reversal is a pleasant surprise. It finally seems like Zarganos is in a serious dilemma for which there won't be easy answers or painful deus ex Keikaku Dori. I hope the Princess manages to actually go out with a bang, if not succeed outright.

 

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The Duchess seems pretty competent as you have to keep in mind she manage to drag that entire army to the enemy capital and defeat the elite lancers defending the outside the cities without being discovered till she was right at their main capital and keep in mind her previous accomplishments.

Except she's not reached the capital (Altın) yet, she's still in Greater Türkiye. The capital they mention is of the Bıçak Stratocracy.

Okay was it just me that was hoping that evil chick shows up with the counter attacking cavalry and then was majorly disappointed?

 

I have to say I was pretty upset myself. Bhalt-Rhein has been an incredibly toothless antagonist for the past 20-40 chapters, to the point that it became difficult to take any of their initiatives seriously without wondering how they'd been set up for humiliating failure. It seemed as though the pacing was excruciatingly long-winded in tying the loose ends of its mid-arc, instead of setting up the civil war it is signaling will eventually break out between Mahmut and Zarganos.

 

So the current reversal is a pleasant surprise. It finally seems like Zarganos is in a serious dilemma for which there won't be easy answers or painful deus ex Keikaku Dori. I hope the Princess manages to actually go out with a bang, if not succeed outright.

I hope the duchess won't succeed, the turks number 43000 against her 44000. I'm certain that means a stall and considering how much they say Turks are fast, I doubt the duchess can just pillage as she pleases. In addition, didn't they mention sending pashas to build walls all around Turkiye. While I understand commerce focus means a weaker nation, they are still fighting a nation with a professional army.

They over ran the Urado border guards but I'm sure there are more soldiers who'd love to take a crack at her. Heck Mahmut can pull another sud army chase down. He could do it with 5k before, he'll do it again. Considering the stakes and his constant "I'm not a helpless child anymore", he will probably be successful. I doubt the duchess is as skilled as a commander as Fritzen. Heck Zagonos can let the Rhine kingdoms replace some soldiers while he sends a sizable force to clean up the duchess. I have no idea, why she did not send her 44k to kill Zagonos with the 15k hermann. While it is a good shocking move, her plan still has a relatively low success rate.

Several problems I need to point out. The duchess couldn't attack Zaganos due to the tunnel network being knocked out ruining their first plan to kill Zaganos and the Sud army is still mostly footmen thus likely which in the time they probably need to encircle Zaganos to lift the siege it would be probably too late. A large problem for either Zaganos or the Duchess attacking each other now is the distance required to get to each other and now both sides are at each other's capital and even if the Turkiye have horses it still is a great distance to travel back from the enemy capital to theirs.

Also her success rate is technically higher than you think as now that the lancers that were defending the cities were destroyed the turkiye now have to levy a quick makeshift force to defend their lands and I think the forces the Turkiye could muster will be at best the city guards and a civilian militia and that they have to rally in the same place whilst an invading army is right at your doorstep. The Duchess seems pretty competent as you have to keep in mind she manage to drag that entire army to the enemy capital and defeat the elite lancers defending the outside the cities without being discovered till she was right at their main capital and keep in mind her previous accomplishments. The duchess remains as one of the top bad asses for the Balt Rhein in my eyes and also still your talking about a large force within your borders that can then raze hell on your lands or possibly raze your cities. Not exactly the most comfortable of ideas. 

I thought this was not-ERE vs not-ottomans. Hence the Phoenician references and the walls of Constantinople, where nothing short of the "NEW ULTRA AMAZING" ottoman cannons could honestly put a dent in them, that couldn't be repaired in time.

 

The not-Roman Empire was Phoenicia, which started in the manga as a remnant with just the eponymous capital city left, though with a great cultural legacy. It fell to the not-Franks early in the manga when Mahmut was going "lads on tour" around those parts.

 

While definitely-not-Constantinople was no longer the first major victim of the cannons, it was still, as far as we know, the second (and it fell first anyway). The Venetians attacked it a second time with their newfangled cannon-armed galleys to remove what had become a major not-Frankish military base.

 

So although the author draws extensively from history, some things do get moved around.

Does anyone actually expect the not-HRE to fall here though?

 

I thought this was not-ERE vs not-ottomans. Hence the Phoenician references and the walls of Constantinople, where nothing short of the "NEW ULTRA AMAZING" ottoman cannons could honestly put a dent in them, that couldn't be repaired in time.

I kind of doubt the Balt Rhein will fall now due to the duchess now invading the turkiye lands. My guess is the duchess pretty much goes on a pillaging spree and then turkiye have to send a large portion of their troops to stop her and that they will be forced to release their siege on the Balt Rhein and forcing them back into stalemate. Could be possible that a large 3rd party interferes declaring war on both sides and further escalating the war.

 

No point in that whatsoever, the only thing that could stop them from finishing off the empire is nothing short of capturing the leaders, and the capital. A siege on the capital will just end in a race of "who kills the enemy king first" basically. And sucks although it may be, the outlying towns and villages can, and will be left to their own devices, Outside of Mahamut and his Lieutenants, what pasha would even bother leaving the walls?

I kind of doubt the Balt Rhein will fall now due to the duchess now invading the turkiye lands. My guess is the duchess pretty much goes on a pillaging spree and then turkiye have to send a large portion of their troops to stop her and that they will be forced to release their siege on the Balt Rhein and forcing them back into stalemate. Could be possible that a large 3rd party interferes declaring war on both sides and further escalating the war.

I hope the duchess won't succeed, the turks number 43000 against her 44000. I'm certain that means a stall and considering how much they say Turks are fast, I doubt the duchess can just pillage as she pleases. In addition, didn't they mention sending pashas to build walls all around Turkiye. While I understand commerce focus means a weaker nation, they are still fighting a nation with a professional army.

They over ran the Urado border guards but I'm sure there are more soldiers who'd love to take a crack at her. Heck Mahmut can pull another sud army chase down. He could do it with 5k before, he'll do it again. Considering the stakes and his constant "I'm not a helpless child anymore", he will probably be successful. I doubt the duchess is as skilled as a commander as Fritzen. Heck Zagonos can let the Rhine kingdoms replace some soldiers while he sends a sizable force to clean up the duchess. I have no idea, why she did not send her 44k to kill Zagonos with the 15k hermann. While it is a good shocking move, her plan still has a relatively low success rate.

Does anyone actually expect the not-HRE to fall here though? The coalition Turkiye (the not-Ottomans) have set up is a relatively loose one, and once the threat of BR is gone or diminished, its allies may no longer feel the need to play for the same team, especially given the Stratocracy's increasing relative power (countered somewhat by the costs of the war, both in terms of economics and manpower). I dunno, I guess that based on how the HRE and Ottoman roles were switched in many respects for this manga, there's probably going to be a point where the Turks get stopped and both sides undergo declines as the Military Revolution takes place and the future Napoleon equivalent proceeds to invade one empire while dismantling the other.

 

OTOH, this is a work of fiction and the author is more than free to have things go off on a totally different tangent.

I kind of doubt the Balt Rhein will fall now due to the duchess now invading the turkiye lands. My guess is the duchess pretty much goes on a pillaging spree and then turkiye have to send a large portion of their troops to stop her and that they will be forced to release their siege on the Balt Rhein and forcing them back into stalemate. Could be possible that a large 3rd party interferes declaring war on both sides and further escalating the war.

#teamzaghanos #zaghanosforpadishah Crush the remaining Balt-Rheim and procalim yourself Emperor/Padishah Zaghanos!.

Does anyone actually expect the not-HRE to fall here though? The coalition Turkiye (the not-Ottomans) have set up is a relatively loose one, and once the threat of BR is gone or diminished, its allies may no longer feel the need to play for the same team, especially given the Stratocracy's increasing relative power (countered somewhat by the costs of the war, both in terms of economics and manpower). I dunno, I guess that based on how the HRE and Ottoman roles were switched in many respects for this manga, there's probably going to be a point where the Turks get stopped and both sides undergo declines as the Military Revolution takes place and the future Napoleon equivalent proceeds to invade one empire while dismantling the other.

 

OTOH, this is a work of fiction and the author is more than free to have things go off on a totally different tangent.

I think the actual interesting part will come when Turkiye will get full of themselves and Venedic (Rumelian aliance) are not happy with their share anymore. Or Suleiman and Mahmut changing sides vs Zaganos (he aims for the top)

Rod orm is alive and id' like to see them become public in a version of Dragon order, Vlad III of valakia included.

Tughrills and former ears trying to salvage the new Otoman Empire from corruption qualifies too.

Mongols?

I think Turkish Composite Bow got misinterpreted as Mongolian counterpart for a sec

2700 followers? I remember when this page was a graveyard...


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