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Vinland Saga


Alt Names: alt ヴィンランド・サガalt ملحمة فينلاندalt Vinland Destanıalt 海盜戰記alt حماسه وینلند
Author: Yukimura Makoto
Artist: Yukimura Makoto
Genres: Action ActionAdventure AdventureAward Winning Award WinningDrama DramaHistorical HistoricalPsychological PsychologicalSeinen Seinen
Type: Manga (Japanese)
Status: Ongoing
Description: Thorfinn is son to one of the Vikings’ greatest warriors, but when his father is killed in battle by the mercenary leader Askeladd, he swears to have his revenge. Thorfinn joins Askeladd’s band in order to challenge him to a duel, and ends up caught in the middle of a war for the crown of England.

Won the 13th Japan Media Arts Award Grand Prize in the Manga division.
Won the 36th Kodansha Manga Award for Best General Manga.
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The following content is intended for mature audiences and may contain sexual themes, gore, violence and/or strong language. Discretion is advised.


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Chapters

Title Group Contributor Date
Vol.19 Ch.134: Baltic Sea War (10)
4chan ersatz 3 weeks ago
Vol.19 Ch.134: Baltık Denizi Savaşı (10)
AMT & Cinnet Fansub&Manga AMT 4 days ago
Vol.19 Ch.133: Guerre en Mer Baltique ⑨
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Vol.19 Ch.133: Baltık Denizi Savaşı (9)
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Vol.19 Ch.132: Baltık Denizi Savaşı (8)
AMT & Cinnet Fansub&Manga AMT 4 days ago
Vol.4 Ch.23: Destek Kuvvet
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Vol.4 Ch.22: Devin Tek Oğlu
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Because you arent crazy, I swear.

I am most definitely not. Do you have reasons to believe otherwise?

I'm sure the author is trying to raise a fair message of social equality, but it seems very, very, out of place considering the setting. I am not a professional historian so I can't make that much of a comment, but making a "modern-day judgment" in a past historical context feels weird. I buy more into the theory that women's rights happened due to an increase in economic structure, status and development. What the author presents, is very contraindicative, when the normal situation a person experiences are small-scale fights, wars, poverty, famine, women's rights are pretty much on the low end in terms of a priority list.

At this point I've decided to just sit back and laugh at the constant anger in the comments section from all the bloodthirsty shonen fans and their endless bitching about how the author "ruined" the manga with actual character development.

 

Daily reminder: "Vinland" is old Norse for "Farmland", which means that this manga is literal called "Farmland Saga". Thorfinn's stint as a slave was necessary for him to learn how to cultivate the land; which is a skill he'll need once he lands in North America.

Wait, NA? wut? Did i missed something? Leaving aside plot, can he even make it that far? Need someone with good knowledge of Sea voyage to confirm :\

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1. Canute parted with most of those Vikings after the talk with Thorfinn.
2. There are many murder cases that can be compassionated with, they are wronged and deserves to be punished but people just cant hate them. (Killing the rapist who raped your sister for example).
Forum Trolls can be the examples of somebody who is doing lesser serious crimes but gets hated, almost as much as muderers.

2.1. About this manga, there were so many killing scenes in it that anyone who is still reading this and commenting "Murderers should all just die" must either be insane or be a troll.

Wow, um, okay? That’s a pretty fucked up view. Rape victims cannot recover and their life is basically ruined so much that it would be better if they just died or killed themselves instead? Crazy. You know that rape is first and foremost a psychological issue, right? In other words, how much it affects a person very much depends on them and therapy for instance can do a lot to help victims cope with the trauma. Far from everyone (or even the majority) will have their entire life ruined by it. The suggestion by you that being raped will generally ruin you to the point where leading a happy life afterwards is impossible and death is preferable is monstrous to me.

 

Um, no one said that rape victims should kill themselves. Don't intentionally twist his words.

 

Anyway, The logic behind rape being qualitatively different from other crimes runs something like this. We have created a hierarchy of evil, based on what does greater or lesser damages to the social contract but mitigated by necessity. Killing another human is the most destructive and in pretty much every society therefore punished the most harshly. But it is possible that killing another human being can be forgiven from need; self-defense or the defense of others. Even the violent suppression of a rebellion or the killing of an insolent underling by a leader can be construed as attempts to preserve the existing social contract. People may:

  • steal to feed themselves or their families.
  • torture others to obtain information which can save thousands (although this one is a very dubious and questionable justification at best).
  • kill someone in self-defense, to preserve their own life.

These are all actions which are normally punished if performed for their own sake, but which may be treated less harshly if performed "for the right reasons"—personal survival, the survival of another, or the survival of the group. Constructing a situation in which rape becomes necessary for personal survival, the survival of another, or the survival of the group is extremely difficult. It is in the top tier of the hierarchy of wrongs because of its ability to have permanent effects on the victim and those around the victim, along with torture and murder. That also means that any attempt to justify it instantly begs the question of why the use of the other two, particularly torture since both leave the victim alive, wasn't a relatively superior solution. Also unlike torture or murder, it has the possibility to actually create an additional victim(s) of the crime (a female victim being unwillingly impregnated, especially if getting an abortion isn't easy for her).

Well that's because raping someone is much worse than killing them in most senses.

Wow, um, okay? That’s a pretty fucked up view. Rape victims cannot recover and their life is basically ruined so much that it would be better if they just died or killed themselves instead? Crazy. You know that rape is first and foremost a psychological issue, right? In other words, how much it affects a person very much depends on them and therapy for instance can do a lot to help victims cope with the trauma. Far from everyone (or even the majority) will have their entire life ruined by it. The suggestion by you that being raped will generally ruin you to the point where leading a happy life afterwards is impossible and death is preferable is monstrous to me.
 

- Thorkell was on Canute side.

So why would he attack a group of Jomsvikings then? The latter are loyal to Canute. What Thorkell is about to do here is just as crazy as attacking Canute’s own army.
 

When we talk about murder, its defend on the case, but rapists, no matter the reason, always be hated.

I’m assuming you mean “it depends on the case” here. If so, what do you mean by that? Are you saying you wanna defend all the slaughter of civilians that happened throughout the manga? What’s there “depending on the case” about these murders? Also, if you believe that murder, the most heinous crime, can be justified (which I for one don’t) then surely there must be some situation where rape would be justified for you.

It's sad for the author that some of the core messages of this story seems lost to so many readers. I find great artistry in this manga and its character development.

Also, if not for social justice, how would we have social progress? Social justice is responsible for giving rights to oppressed parties throughout history, from the rights of the lower class to the rights of minorities and women. Would people who have some grievance against social justice prefer not to have human rights? Do they assign no value to any part of humanity's achievements and way of life except the parts that are nothing more than survival? If so, that's diminishing to themselves more than anyone else.

 

At this point I've decided to just sit back and laugh at the constant anger in the comments section from all the bloodthirsty shonen fans and their endless bitching about how the author "ruined" the manga with actual character development.

 

Daily reminder: "Vinland" is old Norse for "Farmland", which means that this manga is literal called "Farmland Saga". Thorfinn's stint as a slave was necessary for him to learn how to cultivate the land; which is a skill he'll need once he lands in North America.

freakin thorkell...

No, Thorkell wasn't on their side.  Besides, even if he was, fighting them probably sounds like the most fun to him anyway.


Thorkell is trying to set up his own faction with Thorfinn at the head to challenge Floki who is supporting his grandson and Vagn who would then be fighting to gain power for himself. It should be noted that the historical Vagn beat up Thorfinn's maternal grandpa (yes, the former Jomsvikings leader) as part of the test that allowed him to join Joms at 13 and later called him a coward over the retreat from the battle where Thors (in the manga) faked his own death. The real Thorkell himself was unable to manage Vagn and eventually let him set up his own crew, which led to the real-life version of the current arc. If the manga follows history, Vagn will be fighting without a figurehead eventually. Since historically the Baltic Sea War ended AFTER the Karlsefni Vinland expedition, I think this is how things will play out. Thorfinn's got a colony to set up, damnit! Let him go!

- Thorkell was on Canute side.
- Mentally, people hates rapists more than just plain muderers.
When we talk about murder, its defend on the case, but rapists, no matter the reason, always be hated.

 

Well that's because raping someone is much worse than killing them in most senses. Raping someone usually ruins that person for life or at least mentally messes them up in such a way that they can't function like a regular human being. It's almost like suffering for the rest of your life. Would you rather suffer for the rest of your life or just die? A lot of rape victims end up taking their lives.

Thorkell is doing it all wrong. He has to climb up onto the prow. He can't just stand farther ahead than the others and think that's the best spot.

Haha everytime this manga releases a chapter there is always some kind of shitstorm in the comments. Used to annoy me but it's just kind of funny now.

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- Thorkell was on Canute side.
- Mentally, people hates rapists more than just plain muderers.
When we talk about murder, its defend on the case, but rapists, no matter the reason, always be hated.

Wait, why is Thorkell assaulting them? Wasn’t he kinda on their side?

 

No, Thorkell wasn't on their side.  Besides, even if he was, fighting them probably sounds like the most fun to him anyway.

Man, The Boss is a real bad ass.

Wait, why is Thorkell assaulting them? Wasn’t he kinda on their side?

Yea, the author simply went nuts. This is medieval SJW propaganda with "cis-white-male-scum" from all sides raping every girl. Now all we need is a pacifist Skraeling female that governs a matriarchal tribe and becomes Thorfinn's boss and is abuse towards him and Inclusia saga, I mean, Vinland saga will have a "good end".

Dude, chill the fuck out. You’re jumping at shadows.
 

Rapists, please do us a favor and die. I'll help you make it quick!

Huh, weird. I’ve been reading this manga on here for years, always keeping up-to-date with the comment section and yet I haven’t seen you make a “Murderers, please do us a favor and die” comment. Do you consider murder a less heinous crime than rape? Or how come you only posted something like this when rape was shown in Vinland Saga?

I think Hild may jumped to conclusion...  the girls may be "exchanging services for goods". I might be wrong, that man accepting a purse might as well be selling them into slavery. I hope it gets cleared in the next chapter BEFORE A MEALSHITSTORM HITS THE SHORES XD

Oh snaps, Thorkell is here.

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Thorfinn looks badass in that cover.

If Thorfinn can't even survive the well-travelled route to Istanbul and trade the loaned goods with profit, he should just as well forget about this dream of his.

Nit picking: The horns werent loaned, they were given to thorfinn, free of charge.

Though, I do have one complaint. When are they going to freaking Vinland??! We're hitting volume 20 soon, come on!!

 

If Thorfinn was able to very easily board a ship to the Americas and start a new civilization without a worry (aka within a few chapters), I'd drop this manga faster than a heartbeat. Some realism is necessary. He needs a big, sturdy boat; that will cost a lot of money. He also needs the necessary skills and manpower to cross the Atlantic Ocean, get on friendly terms with strangers who'll most likely see him as an invader, and succeed in building a self-sufficient settlement.

This expedition is essentially the baby version of what he's trying to accomplish. If Thorfinn can't even survive the well-travelled route to Istanbul and trade the loaned goods with profit, he should just as well forget about this dream of his. The rich guy in Iceland actually did him a huge favour. (although mostly for his own profit. You don't want to invest in something or someone which/who hasn't got a high rate of success. This is simply a test after all.)

Yea, the author simply went nuts. This is medieval SJW propaganda with "cis-white-male-scum" from all sides raping every girl. Now all we need is a pacifist Skraeling female that  governs a matriarchal tribe and becomes Thorfinn's boss and is abuse towards him and Inclusia saga, I mean, Vinland saga will have a "good end".

yep it's definitely "sjw propaganda" to show someone powerful disapproving of rape you hit the nail on the head for sure

Yea, the author simply went nuts. This is medieval SJW propaganda with "cis-white-male-scum" from all sides raping every girl. Now all we need is a pacifist Skraeling female that  governs a matriarchal tribe and becomes Thorfinn's boss and is abuse towards him and Inclusia saga, I mean, Vinland saga will have a "good end".

this is such a messy comment.

We live in a society where bad deeps punished by law. But we love watching stuff where violence is the right and hate the opposite. Sigh...

About this manga: The manga is solid, from character development to current event, there arent really any plot holes. Thats why I always regard this as one of the best Ive ever read no matter how Ive changed my taste over the time.

Some characters act out of their era are nothing weird, they are only invididuals. Even in our modern society, war maniacs still exist.

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