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Kindred


Alt Names: alt 血族王冠
Author: Guang Zai
Artist: Guang Zai
Genres: Action ActionAdventure AdventureDrama DramaFantasy FantasyHorror Horror
Type: Manhua (Chinese)
Status: Ongoing
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Chapters

Title Group Contributor Date
Ch.12: 12
Saiko+ saikoplus 06 January 2017 - 05:47 AM
Ch.11: 11
Saiko+ saikoplus 23 December 2016 - 09:30 AM
Ch.10: 10
Saiko+ saikoplus 03 December 2016 - 07:44 PM
Ch.9: 9
Saiko+ saikoplus 15 November 2016 - 01:47 PM
Ch.8: 8
Saiko+ saikoplus 08 November 2016 - 12:32 PM
Ch.7: 7
Saiko+ saikoplus 02 November 2016 - 08:39 AM
Ch.6: 6
Saiko+ saikoplus 25 October 2016 - 12:23 PM
Ch.5: 5
Saiko+ saikoplus 20 October 2016 - 03:37 AM
Ch.4: 4
Saiko+ saikoplus 11 October 2016 - 01:46 PM
Ch.3: 3
Saiko+ saikoplus 28 September 2016 - 11:23 AM
Vol.2 Ch.0: 2
Saiko+ saikoplus 14 September 2016 - 11:13 AM
Ch.1 Read Online
Saiko+ saikoplus 06 September 2016 - 04:05 AM
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The comments are filled with "You're brainwashed," "no you're brainwashed!" and "THAT'S NOT HOW A BOW WORKS," "NO YOU'RE NOT A WORKING BOW..."  "WHY DON'T YOU GET A BOW CAN'T WORK LIKE THAT.."

 

lmaooooo....

Unreal.  

#Washedbrain

 

CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE TAKE THIS CONVERSATION TO PM?

What a strange manga(I'm never going to learn the Chinese and Korean terms).

>Europeans

>arrogance

>greed

Stopped reading there. If muh natives were actually just as intelligent as their contemporary Europeans or even only slightly less intelligent, they would have been doing imperialism too. In fact they did, but since they were not as technologically inclined or organized as other societies at the time, they stopped short at conquering only their neighbors. The noble savage meme needs to die, arrogance and greed have never been exclusive to Europeans. I'm not even a European and you triggered me with that bit.

You really should have read everything... Here's what you're doing, you're diverging completely from my argument, I'm speaking A and you B.

 

I specified a situation of a native tribe and the Spanish who wanted to exterminate said tribe and steal their resources, so yes arrogance and greed, meaning the "European" was only one nation, the Spanish, whom I had just specified.

They got their ass kicked by "savages", and said tribe was not even one of the violent tribes who wage wars to take over other tribes, they were a stable small nation who were beggining to stabilize and grow into something more, they could even have grown into a proper country(something like a Kingdom formed by many states or something) given time.

It takes power in the hands to psychopaths to go to the extent that western European forces have, and if you look back at what led to the current situation, it's that the natives trusted deals with colonizers too much and that until now, descendants of colonizers (myself included) have done and cared too little to stop the cultural genocide.

The fact that you can actually think this, is incredible. I'm wondering if this is a result of institutional brainwashing or a result of self loathing. The world worked different back then. What makes more sense, that people in the past had different morals, or that every European colonizer was a psychopath? I mean, how can you even say such rubbish without thinking it through?

>Europeans
>arrogance
>greed
Stopped reading there. If muh natives were actually just as intelligent as their contemporary Europeans or even only slightly less intelligent, they would have been doing imperialism too. In fact they did, but since they were not as technologically inclined or organized as other societies at the time, they stopped short at conquering only their neighbors. The noble savage meme needs to die, arrogance and greed have never been exclusive to Europeans. I'm not even a European and you triggered me with that bit.

Buddy, I don't know what trash propaganda you were fed in school, but you should really study up on history from accredited sources- to clarify, that isn't your primary school teacher. It means to go look at things written and said by people whose university and professional careers revolve around the study of the subject at hand. If you don't want to expend that effort, let this TED talk serve as a crash course (but of course, if you're truly interested in the subject, you should read and hear from various scholarly sources.) https://www.ted.com/talks/aaron_huey?language=en

Yes, humans are humans, there are tribes that warred with other tribes.
But it doesn't erase historical wrongdoings on the part of colonisers that have yet to be remedied. It takes power in the hands to psychopaths to go to the extent that western European forces have, and if you look back at what led to the current situation, it's that the natives trusted deals with colonisers too much and that until now, descendants of colonisers (myself included) have done and cared too little to stop the cultural genocide.

The giant SAIKO SHT watermarks are really making me not want to read this. One of the reasons I like batoto is due to the lack of watermarks.

What about the natives bows, huh? Those guys built their bows on nothing but continous practice instead of deep knowledge on engeneering, meaning they didn't "know" what they were doing but they felt what they were doing was right .

One specific tribe in North America even managed to give the spanish(who used sabers and guns) a run for their money, using only Bows and simple melee weapons, their bows were much simpler than the greek or the egyptian, but still tore through chain mail and still punished europeans for their arrogance and greed, not masterpieces of the chinese with their automatic crossbows or the japanese who managed to make a special longbow that was still useful on a kneeling position. Like I said the mechanism behind a bow is simple, regardless of how you can use technology to make a more complex and effective bow, good arrows are actually harder to make than a bow, I only have a very superficial knowledge about them.

 

Meaning, you're just being arrogant. All a weapon needs is to be effective, if it kills, good, if it doesn't then it's trash.

Regardless of what professionals of ph.d assholes think about it, it's the user's right to decide it, not yours. Like I said, if she can use it then it's a good bow, regardless of what you think about how that bow is made. In this case a square wheel has no difference against a round wheel with both running at 88mph, as long as energy consumption is irrelevant to this specific race

 

As for the science fiction comment, it's science fiction, it has to have science. Here's a fantasy, if they decide to make a spear with a round blade or a sword with blunt edges, then so be it. As long as those weapons end up being functional and effective, who are the pedantic assholes to even think they have a right to complain? In a fantastic setting people have the strengh and ability to survive blows from dragons that are  even 10 meters tall and above, their armors not only survive the ordeal but sometimes don't even get a scratch, how is that believeable, how's it any different from that bow?

>Europeans

>arrogance

>greed

Stopped reading there. If muh natives were actually just as intelligent as their contemporary Europeans or even only slightly less intelligent, they would have been doing imperialism too. In fact they did, but since they were not as technologically inclined or organized as other societies at the time, they stopped short at conquering only their neighbors. The noble savage meme needs to die, arrogance and greed have never been exclusive to Europeans. I'm not even a European and you triggered me with that bit.

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VTM didnt invent the word "Lasombra".

But they invented the vampire clan Lasombra, and that's what he said. Again, not the "La sombra" spanish word that means "The Shadow", but this:

http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Lasombra

These series are particularly cringy. When he says "Flame on!" it made me cringe so hard. Where do they find the weebos to write this stuff.

You just described know-how and guess why it's highly valued.

Once again you proved that you are talking out of your ass: Composite bows were mostly made and used were space was an issue, like while riding a chariot or on horseback.  Wood was preferred in damper and colder climates because it stands them better. The reason for the Japanese's bow shape is still an open debate but definitely it wasn't just for shooting in a kneeling position. You can shoot kneeled with any kind bow, they teach you how in field archery, and every competition has at least shoot which requires kneeling. Moreover Japan used mounted archers form most of their history. 

 

Look, literally unusable. /s

 

A weapon made by someone with no expertise will be trash who fails and breaks.

 

You know what, I yeld before the Master Armchair Expert knowledge. 

Ah, it's useless speaking to an idiot... Your argument did nothing to disprove mine, all you ever tried was to "prove" that i didn't know enough about bows(which doesn't actually change anything about my argument, just the spectators minds about this whole argument itself), and you failed cause I never intended to explain how bows work, and why do they work in the first place, it's just not what's in discussion here.

 

What's in discussions is how a fantasy character can commit themselves to do superhuman deeds and use tools that would be impossible to use for real, normal humans, and that your craving for realism is misplaced in a fictional fantasy setting.

 

 

I feel a little bit guilty for starting this barely obliquely relevant discussion, but only a little bit.

 

I think SomeGuy1 got to the heart of the matter and basically settled the issue:

 

 

 

That bow design has only cons and no pros compared to a normally strung recurve bow.

I agree, but well, to each their own right? If she feels happy using something that doesn't befit anyone else's ability, let her use it. We all saw that she can use that crappy bow, so what's the point of complaining about said bow?

Yeah, the thing is pretty generic, and I feel like some terms were lifted straight out from Vampire: The Masquerade. Stuff like Clan lasombra, which the vampire dude says he is.


VTM didnt invent the word "Lasombra".

The writing is pretty uninspired so far but I like the art a lot, so I'll keep reading.

Yeah, the thing is pretty generic, and I feel like some terms were lifted straight out from Vampire: The Masquerade. Stuff like Clan lasombra, which the vampire dude says he is.

The writing is pretty uninspired so far but I like the art a lot, so I'll keep reading.

I feel a little bit guilty for starting this barely obliquely relevant discussion, but only a little bit.

 

Well, I thank you for starting and making me (and most likely, some other curious dudes) search about recurve bows and how they work.

I feel a little bit guilty for starting this barely obliquely relevant discussion, but only a little bit.

 

I think SomeGuy1 got to the heart of the matter and basically settled the issue:

 

 

Any material beyond where the string is tied won't flex when pulled and is useless weight. She might as well cut the ends off.

 

That bow design has only cons and no pros compared to a normally strung recurve bow.

You just described know-how and guess why it's highly valued.

Once again you proved that you are talking out of your ass: Composite bows were mostly made and used were space was an issue, like while riding a chariot or on horseback.  Wood was preferred in damper and colder climates because it stands them better. The reason for the Japanese's bow shape is still an open debate but definitely it wasn't just for shooting in a kneeling position. You can shoot kneeled with any kind bow, they teach you how in field archery, and every competition has at least shoot which requires kneeling. Moreover Japan used mounted archers form most of their history. 

 

Look, literally unusable. /s

 

A weapon made by someone with no expertise will be trash who fails and breaks.

 

You know what, I yeld before the Master Armchair Expert knowledge. 

Again, you are missing the point. That string is like having square wheels on the Delorean. Can you reach 88 mph to travel back in time with square wheels? With enough power/stronger rubber for the square tires/whatever, yes you can reach 88 mph even with square wheels. Would it make sense even for a sci-fi setting? Nope.

Suspension of disbelief can only come so far and it's not a free pass to justify everything.

 

 

Dude, do you think you know how to run? Talk with a professional runner or coach and you'll realize it's a deep topic that encompasses physics, biomechanics for the physiologically correct tecnique, biochemistry and materials science for the sportware and the track. All of them are PhD subjects. In comparison what you call running is an embarassing and almost random flailing of arm and legs. This is true for pretty much every human activity and field.
 

My instructor made a replica of Ötzi's bow and arrows and has shown me how it was made. For a prehistoric weapon it actually a fairly complex object wich requires good craftmanship and precision. Btw, Egyptians bows were much more advanced using composite materials. Greeks strived for the longest range. The iconic medieval longbow has to be carefully crafted following the wood grain, using a specific part of the tree and the right kind of wood, and don't get me started on arrowmaking.
 

You are the presumptious one dismissing an intersting, complex and deep topic and talking out of your ass.

 
I hope someday you'll grow out of your chuuni phase.
 

What about the natives bows, huh? Those guys built their bows on nothing but continous practice instead of deep knowledge on engeneering, meaning they didn't "know" what they were doing but they felt what they were doing was right .

One specific tribe in North America even managed to give the spanish(who used sabers and guns) a run for their money, using only Bows and simple melee weapons, their bows were much simpler than the greek or the egyptian, but still tore through chain mail and still punished europeans for their arrogance and greed, not masterpieces of the chinese with their automatic crossbows or the japanese who managed to make a special longbow that was still useful on a kneeling position. Like I said the mechanism behind a bow is simple, regardless of how you can use technology to make a more complex and effective bow, good arrows are actually harder to make than a bow, I only have a very superficial knowledge about them.

 

Meaning, you're just being arrogant. All a weapon needs is to be effective, if it kills, good, if it doesn't then it's trash.

Regardless of what professionals of ph.d assholes think about it, it's the user's right to decide it, not yours. Like I said, if she can use it then it's a good bow, regardless of what you think about how that bow is made. In this case a square wheel has no difference against a round wheel with both running at 88mph, as long as energy consumption is irrelevant to this specific race

 

As for the science fiction comment, it's science fiction, it has to have science. Here's a fantasy, if they decide to make a spear with a round blade or a sword with blunt edges, then so be it. As long as those weapons end up being functional and effective, who are the pedantic assholes to even think they have a right to complain? In a fantastic setting people have the strengh and ability to survive blows from dragons that are  even 10 meters tall and above, their armors not only survive the ordeal but sometimes don't even get a scratch, how is that believeable, how's it any different from that bow?

Personally, I really love the art, as it's super nostalgic, I miss manga with this style. :'( It's a bit too early to make my final judgement. I'll give it ten or so chapters.

I'm too here for the art. I really like how he draws the characters. I hope the story gets interesting. So far there isn't much to judge and it's generic.

I too, am curious as to why it's strung is halfway, rather than in the proper place. I'm no archery expert so I'm willing to put this to rest if the author does come up with a decent explanation.

I'm hoping the author doesn't think the Rule of Cool (or suspension of disbelief[?]) applies to where the string is placed....


The string sticks to the curvature of the tips when it's not drawn. At an angle and at low resolution it may look like the string is tied much lower than it is. Maybe it's the byproduct of shitty references?

lol, and you're obviouly ignoring what's possible if you have enough strengh.

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As a matter of fact, I wonder why you never complained about the bow's design and the fact that it doesn't look like it's made of word, or any other material used nowadays.

 

Think outside the box, in real life it's impossible for a great number of reasons, it's not in a fantasy setting with many fictional materials and even special kinds of wood. [...]

Again, you are missing the point. That string is like having square wheels on the Delorean. Can you reach 88 mph to travel back in time with square wheels? With enough power/stronger rubber for the square tires/whatever, yes you can reach 88 mph even with square wheels. Would it make sense even for a sci-fi setting? Nope.

Suspension of disbelief can only come so far and it's not a free pass to justify everything.

 

 

Also don't be presumptious and say that you know what you're talking about just because you actually use a bow. A bow may be hard to use but it's mechanism is simple enough for even a stupid person to understand, it's pretty obvious why you have to tie a string to the edge, as long as you know a little of physics. Were it something only a PH.D or an actual bowyer could reproduce, it would only have been created by countries with high level of scientific development like the ancient Egyptian, the Greek and so on, but we all know that's not the case.

Dude, do you think you know how to run? Talk with a professional runner or coach and you'll realize it's a deep topic that encompasses physics, biomechanics for the physiologically correct tecnique, biochemistry and materials science for the sportware and the track. All of them are PhD subjects. In comparison what you call running is an embarassing and almost random flailing of arm and legs. This is true for pretty much every human activity and field.
 

My instructor made a replica of Ötzi's bow and arrows and has shown me how it was made. For a prehistoric weapon it actually a fairly complex object wich requires good craftmanship and precision. Btw, Egyptians bows were much more advanced using composite materials. Greeks strived for the longest range. The iconic medieval longbow has to be carefully crafted following the wood grain, using a specific part of the tree and the right kind of wood, and don't get me started on arrowmaking.
 

You are the presumptious one dismissing an intersting, complex and deep topic and talking out of your ass.

 
I hope someday you'll grow out of your chuuni phase.
 

It doesn't matter if the bow can be strung in the middle or not. Any material beyond where the string is tied won't flex when pulled and is useless weight. She might as well cut the ends off. Obviously it has to be strung there cuz magic.

I do field archery and what you are saying makes zero sense even when related to a work of fiction.
 
Regardless the strenght of the character or the bow material, if you tie the string in the middle of the limbs instead at the tips you are just losing lever, draw distance, and material to store more energy, while making the bow harder to draw for no good reason or gain.
 
Being fiction doesnt's excuse the poor execution of elements of said fiction, especially when doing a simple google image search would have avoided it.
 
Pls, drop the whole flexibility talk, you oviously have no real life knoledge about how bows work.

That's explain why that girl sucks and nearly dead... LOL

I do field archery and what you are saying makes zero sense even when related to a work of fiction.
 
Regardless the strenght of the character or the bow material, if you tie the string in the middle of the limbs instead at the tips you are just losing lever, draw distance, and material to store more energy, while making the bow harder to draw for no good reason or gain.
 
Being fiction doesnt's excuse the poor execution of elements of said fiction, especially when doing a simple google image search would have avoided it.
 
Pls, drop the whole flexibility talk, you oviously have no real life knoledge about how bows work.

lol, and you're obviouly ignoring what's possible if you have enough strengh.

 

Having the string tied to the "middle" of the bow makes it harder to draw and and without enough draw distance you'd normally lose maximum distance and viabillity of the weapon(if not break the weapon due to lack of enough flexibility in that area). Then again if you could flex a bow enough in the conditions you can see here, it will still produce the same results.

 

In a real life bow it would be impossible cause the bow would break if you used that strengh to pull the bow, you'd have to use a bigger bow (cause it would give you a similar drawing distance and depending on what materials you use it would be far more durable) and with a different design too(I think something similar to a hunting bow could work).

 

The whole point of tying the string right at the edge is to have enough flexibility to provide lever without risking breaking the bow while drawing an arrow, as well as getting the highest distance and precision possible(that's also why a bow has it's curved design), a bow is a weapon, after all.

 

However as long as the material is flexible enough and the bow big enough, if you could tie closer to the center and still flex the bow and with enough draw distance without breaking, you could achieve similar results.

 

It would be clunky as hell to carry and you'd have to be very strong to even draw such a bow, and the bow would have to be made of a strange material for it to work, kinda like the bow this girl uses. As a matter of fact, I wonder why you never complained about the bow's design and the fact that it doesn't look like it's made of word, or any other material used nowadays.

 

Think outside the box, in real life it's impossible for a great number of reasons, it's not in a fantasy setting with many fictional materials and even special kinds of wood.(there's a kind of wood that is stong as metal while keeping it's flexibility, in D&D, it makes equipment that is almost unbreakable once enchanted, imagine a bow made of that...)

 

Also don't be presumptious and say that you know what you're talking about just because you actually use a bow. A bow may be hard to use but it's mechanism is simple enough for even a stupid person to understand, it's pretty obvious why you have to tie a string to the edge, as long as you know a little of physics. Were it something only a PH.D or an actual bowyer could reproduce, it would only have been created by countries with high level of scientific development like the ancient Egyptian, the Greek and so on, but we all know that's not the case.

I'm just gonna put my two-cents saying, yes, there are things (i.e., weapon designs, characters, plot elements, typesetting, art, etc.) that could be better.

 

Personally, I really love the art, as it's super nostalgic, I miss manga with this style. :'( It's a bit too early to make my final judgement. I'll give it ten or so chapters.

 

That said, I'm weighing in on the field combat over the design of the bow and agreeing with both sides (mainly because I feel like two different points are being debated).

 

Spoiler

 

Yes, the design is flawed in terms of energy efficiency. Yes, it's a work of fiction, where anything is possible and the author might have plenty of reason to include a recurve bow that isn't strung properly. It might be so many things.

 

I too, am curious as to why it's strung is halfway, rather than in the proper place. I'm no archery expert so I'm willing to put this to rest if the author does come up with a decent explanation.

 

I'm hoping the author doesn't think the Rule of Cool (or suspension of disbelief[?]) applies to where the string is placed.... 

The first point is enogh to explain this situation cause she's an adventurerer in a work of fiction, you're bringing far too much realism to a fiction.

Second, just like the first point, if she's using a bow that doesn't seem to have enough flexibility, it means that she has to have enough strength to pull it in these conditions. With enough strength you could cut even a car in half with a Baseball Bat, and flexibility in this case doesn't imply flexibility of the material but of the bow in said conditions. Meaning while a real human couldn't flex that bow, she can

 

I do field archery and what you are saying makes zero sense even when related to a work of fiction.
 
Regardless the strenght of the character or the bow material, if you tie the string in the middle of the limbs instead at the tips you are just losing lever, draw distance, and material to store more energy, while making the bow harder to draw for no good reason or gain.
 
Being fiction doesnt's excuse the poor execution of elements of said fiction, especially when doing a simple google image search would have avoided it.
 
Pls, drop the whole flexibility talk, you oviously have no real life knoledge about how bows work.

 

 
 

 

Hats off sir, you have out-pedanted me, unfortunately though, while being wrong (which is a cardinal sin for us pedants and snobs, I might have to revoke your club membership).

 

The first point is remarkably silly, you're essentially saying "she is using it, so she must be able to use it", duh. The girl might be a god in disguise, the bow an illusion and she shooting arrows with her mind for all we know, but that wouldn't change the fact that the author's design for the bow is stupid, serves no purpose and would make it underperform, that is why nobody strings it like that.

 

Second, "too thick to have enough flexibility"? A bow HAS, by definition, to flex in order for it to shoot, the way it is she just has to flex it with less leverage (you know, work = force X distance), if you string it properly you have more draw distance so you don't need as much strenght to do the same work, this is basic physics.

 

The first point is enogh to explain this situation cause she's an adventurerer in a work of fiction, you're bringing far too much realism to a fiction.

 

Second, just like the first point, if she's using a bow that doesn't seem to have enough flexibility, it means that she has to have enough strength to pull it in these conditions. With enough strength you could cut even a car in half with a Baseball Bat, and flexibility in this case doesn't imply flexibility of the material but of the bow in said conditions. Meaning while a real human couldn't flex that bow, she can


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