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The Ravages of Time


Alt Names: alt 三国志群雄伝火鳳燎原alt 火鳳燎原alt Hỏa Phụng Liêu Nguyênalt Huo Feng Liao Yuanalt Kahou Ryougenalt Sangokushi Gunyuuden Kahou Ryougenalt Sanguozhi Qunxiongzhuan: Huo Feng Liao Yuan
Author: Chen Mou
Artist: Chen Mou
Genres: Action ActionDrama DramaHistorical HistoricalMartial Arts Martial ArtsPsychological PsychologicalRomance RomanceSeinen Seinen
Type: Manhua (Chinese)
Status: Ongoing
Description: Nearly 2000 years ago, the prosperous Han dynasty of China collapsed. Heroes rose and fell, and three nations emerged--Wei, Shu, and Wu. Historians refer to this period as the Three Kingdoms period. The romance of the three kingdoms is an intriguing tale of heroic deeds, of alliance forged and broken, of loyalty and betrayal...

Hong Kong artist Chan Mou retells this classic tale in "The Ravages of Time" from the perspective of the Sima clan, which in the end united the three kingdoms. Readers will be attracted by an array of well-developed characters and Chan Mou's own unique top-notch art-style. Whether you have played Dynasty Warriors or not, this is definitely worth a read!
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Ch.491: Heroes Share The Same Path
8 C̲l̲o̲u̲d̲s̲ Atarame 2 weeks ago
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That was Battle of Changban... But you know... It's quite possible, that there was no such battle historically. It finds mention in the novel. The Sanguozhi makes no mention of it. 

 

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That was Battle of Changban... But you know... It's quite possible, that there was no such battle historically. It finds mention in the novel. The Sanguozhi makes no mention of it. 

 

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If it became any more convoluted or confusing, it'd be scaring off potential readers I'm afraid.

 

Though for myself, I'd like a bit more Chinese philosophy. 

The anglophile community is only aware of the western philosophical tradition, I think the Ravages would become a richer reading experience, if more Chinese philosophy would be woven into the text, to throw light into their view of life, duties etc.

 

Not that it doesn't have, But I'd like to have more of it. But it should be done intelligently. To be quite honest, I don't think I've still got the gist of the whole "propagation" thing expounded by Sun Ce. Seems, well... too laboured if you know what I mean. There are times when I read the comic, it gives an impression of taking itself too seriously. 

 

 

 

Ahhhh yes.... I remember this scene...... Thats when Zhang Liao takes that oath, and changes his head gear... yes yes.... Actually I don't really remember if it was Hefei lol.... I thought you were talking about that famous Battle of Hefei, where

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That's a good poem! Thanks for putting it here! I think it catches the transience of wealth, glory and fame fairly well.

 

Just how many people have there been, since the dawn of civilisation who have done or attempted to do great and doughty deeds worthy of songs and legends? And yet after their death, the memory of their deeds and actions become nothing more than ashes and dusts, like their mortal remains.

 

Case in point- A poem about a man who did (or tried to do) a great deed: (Try to guess the person on whom this is based)

 

That loyal servant of the latter days of Han.

His valour was high as the Heavens, in all ages unequalled;

In court itself he would slay the rebel, great is his fame!

Throughout all time people will call him a hero. 

 

If you look at the words used and the language, like "great is his fame" or "throughout all time..." and yet I'm pretty sure people hardly remember him or his deed. 

 

Sigh.... Humanity's penchant for more wealth and power will eventually be our downfall. And yet quite funnily enough, greed for that very thing more often than not drives innovation and pushes us as a species to greater heights. We have yet to learn how to strike a balance between the two. 

 

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Sometimes I wish Ravages was more convoluted and loaded than it already is...

 

If it became any more convoluted or confusing, it'd be scaring off potential readers I'm afraid.

 

Though for myself, I'd like a bit more Chinese philosophy. 

The anglophile community is only aware of the western philosophical tradition, I think the Ravages would become a richer reading experience, if more Chinese philosophy would be woven into the text, to throw light into their view of life, duties etc.

 

Not that it doesn't have, But I'd like to have more of it. But it should be done intelligently. To be quite honest, I don't think I've still got the gist of the whole "propagation" thing expounded by Sun Ce. Seems, well... too laboured if you know what I mean. There are times when I read the comic, it gives an impression of taking itself too seriously. 

 

 

Spoiler

 

Ahhhh yes.... I remember this scene...... Thats when Zhang Liao takes that oath, and changes his head gear... yes yes.... Actually I don't really remember if it was Hefei lol.... I thought you were talking about that famous Battle of Hefei, where

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Apollo Kenobi, reminds of the old Three Kingdoms intro song/poem.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYXL-m2gyds

 

滾滾長江東逝水,

The Yangtze rolling waves keep disappearing towards the east;

浪花淘盡英雄。

Washing unto Time gallant souls of old, they never cease.

是非成敗轉頭空。

Right and wrong, success and failure -- in a flash they're all gone!

青山依舊在,幾度夕陽紅。

Yet, green hills are here still, and many a sundown (and dawn).

白髮漁樵江渚上,

The fisher and wood-cutter friends, with hair blowing silver,

Take a rest on the sand-bar by the great rushing River.

慣看秋月春風。

Accustomed to the fair Autumn moon and gentle Spring breeze,

一壺濁酒喜相逢。

They're happy to meet o'er a vase of unstrained wine at ease.

古今多少事,都付笑談中。
Of many a past or present mon'mental or small thing,
Amid hearty laughter and talks, they all simply take wing!

 

 

 

That's a good poem! Thanks for putting it here! I think it catches the transience of wealth, glory and fame fairly well.

 

Just how many people have there been, since the dawn of civilisation who have done or attempted to do great and doughty deeds worthy of songs and legends? And yet after their death, the memory of their deeds and actions become nothing more than ashes and dusts, like their mortal remains.

 

Case in point- A poem about a man who did (or tried to do) a great deed: (Try to guess the person on whom this is based)

 

That loyal servant of the latter days of Han.

His valour was high as the Heavens, in all ages unequalled;

In court itself he would slay the rebel, great is his fame!

Throughout all time people will call him a hero. 

 

If you look at the words used and the language, like "great is his fame" or "throughout all time..." and yet I'm pretty sure people hardly remember him or his deed. 

 

Sigh.... Humanity's penchant for more wealth and power will eventually be our downfall. And yet quite funnily enough, greed for that very thing more often than not drives innovation and pushes us as a species to greater heights. We have yet to learn how to strike a balance between the two. 

Apollo Kenobi, reminds of the old Three Kingdoms intro song/poem.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYXL-m2gyds

 

滾滾長江東逝水,

The Yangtze rolling waves keep disappearing towards the east;

浪花淘盡英雄。

Washing unto Time gallant souls of old, they never cease.

是非成敗轉頭空。

Right and wrong, success and failure -- in a flash they're all gone!

青山依舊在,幾度夕陽紅。

Yet, green hills are here still, and many a sundown (and dawn).

白髮漁樵江渚上,

The fisher and wood-cutter friends, with hair blowing silver,

Take a rest on the sand-bar by the great rushing River.

慣看秋月春風。

Accustomed to the fair Autumn moon and gentle Spring breeze,

一壺濁酒喜相逢。

They're happy to meet o'er a vase of unstrained wine at ease.

古今多少事,都付笑談中。
Of many a past or present mon'mental or small thing,
Amid hearty laughter and talks, they all simply take wing!

 

I think after Lu Bu's death, the schemes became convoluted AF. It's difficult to keep track of the all happenings in the manhua. Even Guandu was complicated. But I think thats the nature of this work. It's confusing if you read a chapter only once or twice month, but if you read the entire arc together, it makes a lot more sense. Ravages is not like other works. I don't think its meant to be read a chapter a month. One needs to read volumes to understand whats going on.

 

The battle of Hefei hasn't taken place yet. It was against Sun Quan not Yuan Shao. It happened in 214 CE. I'm actually looking forward to that. That actually took place historically and man... What a bad ass. The historical Zhang Liao was a 100%  genuine certifiable badass. I mean not even the overly embellished novel could do justice for what happened in actuality. I wonder if even Chen Mou for all his talents will able to do justice to that battle. Can't wait!!!

Also the time when Ling Tong will  shine and come into his own.

 

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I think after Lu Bu's death, the schemes became convoluted AF. It's difficult to keep track of the all happenings in the manhua. Even Guandu was complicated. But I think thats the nature of this work. It's confusing if you read a chapter only once or twice month, but if you read the entire arc together, it makes a lot more sense. Ravages is not like other works. I don't think its meant to be read a chapter a month. One needs to read volumes to understand whats going on.

 

The battle of Hefei hasn't taken place yet. It was against Sun Quan not Yuan Shao. It happened in 214 CE. I'm actually looking forward to that. That actually took place historically and man... What a bad ass. The historical Zhang Liao was a 100%  genuine certifiable badass. I mean not even the overly embellished novel could do justice for what happened in actuality. I wonder if even Chen Mou for all his talents will able to do justice to that battle. Can't wait!!!

Also the time when Ling Tong will  shine and come into his own.

 

Just a minor remark. There have been several battles within the vicinity of Hefei before and after The Battle, and a relatively minor one took place or is taking place off-panel even as the other events in the current arc are unfolding. That being said, I can hardly wait for Zhang Liao's crowning moment of glory (though to be fair he was able to achieve it by acting in the right place and the right time and with the right people, rather than literally mowing down hundreds of thousands Dynasty Warriors-style, haha). Oh, and he gets to fight another battle just before his death (I wonder if dies in a way that would parallel Taishi Ci's)

 

The hard thing to imagine in the years to come would be the efforts and twists it would take to weaken and take down Liu Bei's oath brothers (since many of their historical and literary weaknesses have been mitigated if not eliminated).

 

Sometimes I wish Ravages was more convoluted and loaded than it already is...

Red Cliff arc is the hardest to digest since the battle spans so many chapters and also included Hefei part where Zhang Liao kicked Yuan army collective ass with a shovel did not help

 

Im curious on how 

 

Spoiler

 

I think after Lu Bu's death, the schemes became convoluted AF. It's difficult to keep track of the all happenings in the manhua. Even Guandu was complicated. But I think thats the nature of this work. It's confusing if you read a chapter only once or twice month, but if you read the entire arc together, it makes a lot more sense. Ravages is not like other works. I don't think its meant to be read a chapter a month. One needs to read volumes to understand whats going on.

 

The battle of Hefei hasn't taken place yet. It was against Sun Quan not Yuan Shao. It happened in 214 CE. I'm actually looking forward to that. That actually took place historically and man... What a bad ass. The historical Zhang Liao was a 100%  genuine certifiable badass. I mean not even the overly embellished novel could do justice for what happened in actuality. I wonder if even Chen Mou for all his talents will able to do justice to that battle. Can't wait!!!

Also the time when Ling Tong will  shine and come into his own.

 

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^I know right ?

 

Someone in the comment section here (forgot who) suggested making notes or something to understand it better.

 

And man....

 

That awkward moment when you realise that you've made more notes for a comic than for your upcoming chemistry quiz. I think I'm gonna swear off Batoto for a while.

 

Red Cliff arc is the hardest to digest since the battle spans so many chapters and also included Hefei part where Zhang Liao kicked Yuan army collective ass with a shovel did not help

 

Im curious on how 

 

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The only drawback of this story is that it packed lots of information in a single chapter and the storyline is unorthodox, this will throw away traditional 3K fans 

 

Also nonexistent map everytime there is a battle, coupled with the odd nuance that English translation of Chinese has, this is not for everyone for sure

 

I myself read it the 2nd time from back to back to truly appreciate and digest the counter-counter-counter-counter strategy that happened on some campaigns, I have difficuties wrapping my head around it by just reading chapter as they come out

 

^I know right ?

 

Someone in the comment section here (forgot who) suggested making notes or something to understand it better.

 

And man....

 

That awkward moment when you realise that you've made more notes for a comic than for your upcoming chemistry quiz. I think I'm gonna swear off Batoto for a while.

Oh, I remember browsing through that thread (and too bad Jolt did not bother to release a hi-res version of Link 18)

 

If only more 3K enthusiasts actually talk about Ravages... from what I've seen not too many of them appreciate the series for some reason or another...

 

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The only drawback of this story is that it packed lots of information in a single chapter and the storyline is unorthodox, this will throw away traditional 3K fans 

 

Also nonexistent map everytime there is a battle, coupled with the odd nuance that English translation of Chinese has, this is not for everyone for sure

 

I myself read it the 2nd time from back to back to truly appreciate and digest the counter-counter-counter-counter strategy that happened on some campaigns, I have difficuties wrapping my head around it by just reading chapter as they come out

Allright folks.
 
Here are some links to maps that one might find useful while reading Ravages

 

Oh, I remember browsing through that thread (and too bad Jolt did not bother to release a hi-res version of Link 18)

 

If only more 3K enthusiasts actually talk about Ravages... from what I've seen not too many of them appreciate the series for some reason or another...

 

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Allright folks.
 
Here are some links to maps that one might find useful while reading Ravages:
 

Also, well some info may be a spoiler, but meh...

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This chapter reminds me of certain saying, that a doctor, with all of his knowledge, have the ability to prescribe u a medicine or a poison. That's why if u happen to get the a doctor who hate u to the bone, u r really in luck. In this case, Zhang Song was able to make Zhuge Liang to hate him, who is capable in

 

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Maybe it's true that the brighter the light is, the darker the shade will be. Or Jian Yong put it, prowess n cruelty goes hand in hand

Holy bazinga Kongming, if this is CK2 he will have batshit intrigue with torturer trait lol

 

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Thanks Atarame for this chapter.... And hot damn.... I knew the Geniuses were capable of cruelty, but I never thought they'd give their own personal 'touch' to it... Even when the 3rd was called "torture master" by Guo Jia, I always thought that he would have sat back and devised creative ways to torture and squeeze the truth out of people. Never take part in it himself.

 

As for Zhuge Liang, I thought he was more  like Xun Yu in temperament.... He clearly isn't... Makes me wonder.... Can he fight too??

 

And is the 8th genius we have seen a fake?? I thought it was implied so by ZL

Chapter 483 is very dark. 

New Opening page, new typesetter and a new logo. Some pages were randomly much smaller than others, I tried to even them all out, cheers!

lets start with who the fuck is the eighth genius, any guess?

 

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I find it frustrating that few people read this series, much less talk about it. It's really up to us fans and students to make Ravages more renowned.

 

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lets start with who the fuck is the eighth genius, any guess?

Who were those people who mocked Xiao Meng in the first half of the chapter?

 

I don't think they were mocking.... More like a good natured give & take between family or close friends....

Thanks!

 

Also just noticed that this chapter is released on Father's day. I wonder if its it on purpose lol.

 

Haha. It's just a coincidence that there was a delay because 2 pages were not immediately translated (due to merc having limited internet access)

Zhou Cang and a bunch of other goons now working for Liu Bei are implied to be remnants of the Sima clan's private army who either followed Liaoyuan Huo when he first left to look for Xiao Meng, or perhaps were assigned by Sima Yi to assist Liaoyuan Huo and Liu Bei... it just feels strange to see people claiming to be familiar with a major character from the earlier chapters even though we haven't really seen them interact with said character on-panel

 

Thanks!

 

Also just noticed that this chapter is released on Father's day. I wonder if its it on purpose lol.

Who were those people who mocked Xiao Meng in the first half of the chapter?

 

Zhou Cang and a bunch of other goons now working for Liu Bei are implied to be remnants of the Sima clan's private army who either followed Liaoyuan Huo when he first left to look for Xiao Meng, or perhaps were assigned by Sima Yi to assist Liaoyuan Huo and Liu Bei... it just feels strange to see people claiming to be familiar with a major character from the earlier chapters even though we haven't really seen them interact with said character on-panel

Who were those people who mocked Xiao Meng in the first half of the chapter?


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