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The Ravages of Time


Alt Names: alt 三国志群雄伝火鳳燎原alt 火鳳燎原alt Hỏa Phụng Liêu Nguyênalt Huo Feng Liao Yuanalt Kahou Ryougenalt Sangokushi Gunyuuden Kahou Ryougenalt Sanguozhi Qunxiongzhuan: Huo Feng Liao Yuan
Author: Chen Mou
Artist: Chen Mou
Genres: Action ActionDrama DramaHistorical HistoricalMartial Arts Martial ArtsPsychological PsychologicalRomance RomanceSeinen Seinen
Type: Manhua (Chinese)
Status: Ongoing
Description: Nearly 2000 years ago, the prosperous Han dynasty of China collapsed. Heroes rose and fell, and three nations emerged--Wei, Shu, and Wu. Historians refer to this period as the Three Kingdoms period. The romance of the three kingdoms is an intriguing tale of heroic deeds, of alliance forged and broken, of loyalty and betrayal...

Hong Kong artist Chan Mou retells this classic tale in "The Ravages of Time" from the perspective of the Sima clan, which in the end united the three kingdoms. Readers will be attracted by an array of well-developed characters and Chan Mou's own unique top-notch art-style. Whether you have played Dynasty Warriors or not, this is definitely worth a read!
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Ch.491: Heroes Share The Same Path
8 C̲l̲o̲u̲d̲s̲ Atarame 3 weeks ago
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Onion cutting ninjas everywhere. *sob sob*

 

Th..Th..Thanks Atarame for this chapter. *Blows Nose*

For those who don't know, the English translation is still missing two pages. If you cannot wait to read the chapter, here's an incomplete version:

Full chapter's out!

Spoiler

Merc: I will only have limited internet access between June 8 to June 28. I will try to translate the chapters when I can, but expect some delay.

 

The chapter's ready and waiting for a translation. If you know any chinese to english translators, send them here :D

 

Merc just finished the translation a short while ago. Looks like we're lucky for now

 

Seems like he's in the PRC based on the parenthetical remark: "(posting from behind the great firewall, might reply to comments late)"

Merc: I will only have limited internet access between June 8 to June 28. I will try to translate the chapters when I can, but expect some delay.

 

The chapter's ready and waiting for a translation. If you know any chinese to english translators, send them here :D

So at one time, Huang Zhong, Gan Ning, Wei Yan, Liu Feng, Zhao Tong, Zhao Fan was working directly for Liu Biao? And Zhuge Liang and the Eight Genius was staying in Jingzhou? Liu Biao had all the talents in the world.

 

Plus, the other administrators such as Han Xuan, Jin Xuan, and Liu Du are nominally under Liu Biao as well. Also, Wen Ping was a pretty decent naval commander, and he too served Liu Biao.

So at one time, Huang Zhong, Gan Ning, Wei Yan, Liu Feng, Zhao Tong, Zhao Fan was working directly for Liu Biao? And Zhuge Liang and the Eight Genius was staying in Jingzhou? Liu Biao had all the talents in the world.

As much as possible I like seeing smaller players (especially the relatively competent ones) still play a role, that's why I don't want him gone. Too bad though that in Ravages, Liu Bei's team is willing to play dirty, even to the point of besmirching Han Xuan's legacy...

 

Hmm... I know.... Everything is permitted in a power struggle, for the person who is left will determine what is right.

And about Han Xuan... It was just a theory...  

Maybe

 

Spoiler

Attached to Han Xuan already? He's barely got enough screen time for me to get all weepy about his death. I never liked him in the novels, but its only after reading the Sanguozhi did I realise how misinterpreted his character was. Also the time I started heavily disliking Liu Bei and co. Well not Liu Bei, but most of his followers were right jerkasses...

 

As much as possible I like seeing smaller players (especially the relatively competent ones) still play a role, that's why I don't want him gone. Too bad though that in Ravages, Liu Bei's team is willing to play dirty, even to the point of besmirching Han Xuan's legacy...

Attached to Han Xuan already? He's barely got enough screen time for me to get all weepy about his death. I never liked him in the novels, but its only after reading the Sanguozhi did I realise how misinterpreted his character was. Also the time I started heavily disliking Liu Bei and co. Well not Liu Bei, but most of his followers were right jerkasses...

So, about the southern parts of Jingzhou:

 

Lingling is administered by Liu Du (who surrendered in chapter 480), Wuling is administered by Jin Xuan (not even seen, and then just killed off-panel by Gong Zhi, who turns out to be Zhuge Liang's agent), Changsha is administered by Han Xuan (who's still struggling, and who had solid popular support before special operations by Ma Liang and Ma Su undermined it), Guiyang is administered by Zhao Fan (who was killed by Liaoyuan Huo)

 

Wei Yan, that unnamed second assassin, Fan Furen or Lady Fan (or as many would insist calling her, Xiao Fan), Zhao Tong, and the Eighth Genius work for/with Zhao Fan. Xing Daorong works for Liu Du. Huang Zhong, Chen Fu, Xu An, and Cai Jian work for Han Xuan. Those in Zhao Fan's team seem to regard Huang Zhong highly, due to his seniority and skill.

 

I really don't want Han Xuan to die...

 

Meanwhile, in the northern parts of Jingzhou (I expect the focus will shift to this part once Liu Bei conquers the south):

 

Zhuge Liang holds on to Jiangxia as Liu Bei's base of operations. Liu Qi just died, while Lu Su is there effectively as a hostage of sorts. Pang Tong and Chen Dao are set to move in a bid to outmaneuver Zhou Yu, who is about to attack Xiangyang, currently defended by Cao Ren, Jia Xu, and Xu Huang.

Who the hell is even Han Xuan?

All I remember is Zhang Fei vs Wei Yan, Guan Yu vs Huang Zhong, Liu Bei + Liu Feng vs Zhao Tong, Zhao Yun vs 8th Genius + Zhao Fan, Pang Tong moving in secret, and Zhuge Liang leisurely chit-chating with Lu Su.

Hard to keep track of 6 separate story-lines at the same time.

 

Hahahaha. I feel ya. This arc is helluva confusing. I'm going to reread this again from the start, once this arc is done. So maybe like a year or two later? lol.

 

Han Xuan is this guy: http://bato.to/reader#e45880434ceed133_3

 

Huang Zhong, Wei Yan etc were working for him. 

 

I think:

 

Spoiler

 

And also before I forget. Thanks Atarame for this chapter!

Who the hell is even Han Xuan?

All I remember is Zhang Fei vs Wei Yan, Guan Yu vs Huang Zhong, Liu Bei + Liu Feng vs Zhao Tong, Zhao Yun vs 8th Genius + Zhao Fan, Pang Tong moving in secret, and Zhuge Liang leisurely chit-chating with Lu Su.

Hard to keep track of 6 separate story-lines at the same time.

Wait... Why did Wei Yan run away? Only Huang Zhong had was wanted by Han Xuan.  I think it's time to reread this series again. 

Volume cover 60:

Spoiler

 

(It was out quite a while)

 

 

 

Anyone noticed the number symbols in the Eight Genius?

 

1. Yuan Fang. One mole in the middle of forehead.

 

2. Xun Yu. Two moles below his eyes.

 

3. Jia Xu. Three buttons.

 

4. Guo Jia. Hair divided into 4 parts.

 

5. Zhou Yu. Garment and belt have 5 folds.

 

6. Pang Tong. Arabic numberal 6 tattooed on face.

 

7. Zhuge Liang. Seven feathers in fan.

 

Nice! So Pang Tong has the arabic number 6 (٦) on his eye and a mirrored number 6 on the left side of it? It could be a flame too as he is the rising phoenix. The horizontal moon on his chin could be a hint that is indeed the arabic number 6. Unless it's something else.

 

Also, the eighth has a horizontal number eight "ponytail". Pretty straightforward :P

Anyone noticed the number symbols in the Eight Genius?

 

1. Yuan Fang. One mole in the middle of forehead.

 

2. Xun Yu. Two moles below his eyes.

 

3. Jia Xu. Three buttons.

 

4. Guo Jia. Hair divided into 4 parts.

 

5. Zhou Yu. Garment and belt have 5 folds.

 

6. Pang Tong. Arabic numberal 6 tattooed on face.

 

7. Zhuge Liang. Seven feathers in fan.

 

Wow! Quite an observational power you have there!! I've never payed attention to such visual symbolism I must admit. Nice catch! I think I'll pay attention to it from now on. It would be nice if Chen Mou had consciously added them, with a certain meaning in mind, and was not just a coincidence. 

5. Zhou Yu. His garment + his belt have 5 folds.

 http://img04.deviantart.net/c4a5/i/2014/287/f/6/zhou_yu__the_ravages_of_time__by_boatsex36-d82sqar.jpg

 

6. Pang Tong. Arabic six means "6". Doesn't one of his facial tattoo looks like "6"

http://i3.mangareader.net/the-ravages-of-time/207/the-ravages-of-time-549965.jpg

 

7. Zhuge Liang. Seven Feathers.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rot_zhugeliang.jpg

Anyone noticed the number symbols in the Eight Genius?

 

1. Yuan Fang. One mole in the middle of forehead.

 

2. Xun Yu. Two moles below his eyes.

 

3. Jia Xu. Three buttons.

 

4. Guo Jia. Hair divided into 4 parts.

 

5. Zhou Yu. Garment and belt have 5 folds.

 

6. Pang Tong. Arabic numberal 6 tattooed on face.

 

7. Zhuge Liang. Seven feathers in fan.

 

Interesting observation, especially on 1-3.

 

I'm not sure about 5-7 though. The cover of volume 47, for instance, seems to show that Zhuge Liang's fan has at least eight feathers (or maybe I'm unable to count clearly), while in chapter 401 there's a closeup that shows six feathers. I'm not well-versed in Arabic so I can't tell which part of Pang Tong's tattoo is the number 6. I may need a clearer image to see what you mean in Zhou Yu's attire...

Anyone noticed the number symbols in the Eight Genius?

 

1. Yuan Fang. One mole in the middle of forehead.

 

2. Xun Yu. Two moles below his eyes.

 

3. Jia Xu. Three buttons.

 

4. Guo Jia. Hair divided into 4 parts.

 

5. Zhou Yu. Garment and belt have 5 folds.

 

6. Pang Tong. Arabic numberal 6 tattooed on face.

 

7. Zhuge Liang. Seven feathers in fan.

It would actually be nice to see the Eighth Genius continue working independently (even better if he has his own students, preferably eight in number, who all pretend to be the Eighth Genius in masked form). Maybe the Eighth Genius is another guy named Zhao Yun and has the same hometown as the historical Zhao Yun, but he may take another name in the future (just as Liaoyuan Huo took on the name 'Zhao Yun' out of respect for Liu Bei who called him that).

 

There is this scene in chapter 222 where Pang Tong and an unknown classmate are taking a boat ride and commenting on Liu Bei. I think he's the Eighth, mainly because Zhuge Liang lost his hat early on, and doesn't seem to mind roaming around without the hat (although a possible counter to that sort of reasoning is that Zhuge Liang wore a replacement hat in chapter 175, and he's close friends with Pang Tong).

Guys, what do you think will happen with the Eight Genius? Who will he serve?

 

1. I think we can all agree that his oath-brother, Zhao Fan, is not his chosen lord. Previously, when Zhou Yu first picked Liu Xun as his lord, he's the only one to keep the mask, hat and Full Water-Mirror clothes on. He was just faking it and betrayed Liu Xun. Zhou Yu doesn't drop the mask until he escaped into Sun Ce's camp.

 

The Eight Genius is still wearing his mask and Water-Mirror clothes.

2. Chapter 478 mentioned that in a line of brothers there will a odd one out, while showing the Eight Genius hat flying off. Maybe he won't serve a master but continue to operate in secret.

 

3. I don't recall any of the other Genius talking to the Eight Genius, or mentioning the Eight Genius. The Eight Genius mention each other all the time.

 

E.g. Xun Yu guessing Pang Tong is behind Zhang Xiu attack. Guo Jia mentioned having to assassinate Zhuge Liang. Zhuge Liang luring away Hua Tuo to hasten Guo Jia's dead. Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong talking in the Water-Mirror school. Yuan Fang doesn't know that the Eight Genius is also a martial general 武将.

 

It's like the Eight Genius doesn't exist for the other Genius or this just a case of bad writing? So far, Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong while scheming and leading troops to capture Jing Province, did not mention or know that the Eight Genius exist. Both of them is just focusing on Zhou Yu. Won't it be dangerous for their lord, Liu Bei, if the Eight Genius lead a counter attack. Are Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong incompetent?

4. I guess that the Eight Genius will have a large role in opposing Liu Bei. Maybe he will lead the Yi Province resistance or he will cause the downfall of Liu Bei. 

 

Awesome! A discussion on ravages! Allright, I'll take your questions one by one.

 

Who will the 8th genius serve? Well I've made my predictions a couple of times before, but here it is again. It is hoped (by me) that the 8th will join the Sun clan

Spoiler

 

1. Yup. Agree with you 100% there. The 8 only reveal themselves when they pledge their services and loyalty to a lord. Jia Xu was an exception though. He had pledged his services to Dong Zhou, but still retained all the garb.

 

2. Interesting thought. I hadn't thought about it like that. If Chen Mou takes the work in that direction, it would be a break from his earlier structure of character creation. You see, the WaterMirror's geniuses are famous not only in the work but also in history. Except perhaps Yuan Fang. And Chen gives (kind of) an explanation on why they are remembered as they are now. And this is (one of the many) things I love about TRoT; the reinterpretation and reimagining of characters. If the 8th is an unknown/fictional character or a minor historical figure then I probably would have mixed feelings about it. All I can say about this is, lets wait and see.

 

3. Hmmm.... The only reason Xun Yu and Guo Jia mentioned Pang Tong was because only he could pull off that stunt. Many of the enemies they were facing had enmity with each other before. The diplomatic skills needed to bring them together for a common cause was not something anybody could do. Not even from the 8. So they were fairly certain that the 6th had entered the scene. Because that was his forte. For his classmates who were familiar with him, it had Pang Tong written all over it.

Most of the geniuses mention the other geniuses only after they have entered the scene or pledged their services to a lord or interfered in events which reveal their handiwork. The 8th was still studying under their master so they did not mention him, and he hasn't remotely done anything to attract attention towards himself. You'll find that it holds even for the other geniuses. 

 

4. Frankly, about that, I don't know. Could be. Assuming he joins any other faction other Shu he would be facing off against Liu Bei sooner or later. It's too early to tell.

Guys, what do you think will happen with the Eight Genius? Who will he serve?

 

1. I think we can all agree that his oath-brother, Zhao Fan, is not his chosen lord. Previously, when Zhou Yu first picked Liu Xun as his lord, he's the only one to keep the mask, hat and Full Water-Mirror clothes on. He was just faking it and betrayed Liu Xun. Zhou Yu doesn't drop the mask until he escaped into Sun Ce's camp.

 

The Eight Genius is still wearing his mask and Water-Mirror clothes.

2. Chapter 478 mentioned that in a line of brothers there will a odd one out, while showing the Eight Genius hat flying off. Maybe he won't serve a master but continue to operate in secret.

 

3. I don't recall any of the other Genius talking to the Eight Genius, or mentioning the Eight Genius. The Eight Genius mention each other all the time.

 

E.g. Xun Yu guessing Pang Tong is behind Zhang Xiu attack. Guo Jia mentioned having to assassinate Zhuge Liang. Zhuge Liang luring away Hua Tuo to hasten Guo Jia's dead. Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong talking in the Water-Mirror school. Yuan Fang doesn't know that the Eight Genius is also a martial general 武将.

 

It's like the Eight Genius doesn't exist for the other Genius or this just a case of bad writing? So far, Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong while scheming and leading troops to capture Jing Province, did not mention or know that the Eight Genius exist. Both of them is just focusing on Zhou Yu. Won't it be dangerous for their lord, Liu Bei, if the Eight Genius lead a counter attack. Are Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong incompetent?

4. I guess that the Eight Genius will have a large role in opposing Liu Bei. Maybe he will lead the Yi Province resistance or he will cause the downfall of Liu Bei. 

Guys, how do think Xun Yu and Xun You will die? In chapter 344 Xun Yu once again swears his loyalty to Emperor, and that the Emperor will be safe on his throne "as long as he remains". Because Xun Yu's loyalty ultimately lies with the Emperor rather than Cao Cao, Xun Yu will become a thorn in Cao Cao's side sooner or later. This being Ravages of Time, it's hard to predict what will happen.

 

1. Killed under orders from Cao Cao. Does Cao Cao value Xun Yu enough to tolerate him?

 

2. Killed under orders from Cao Pi. We know that Cao Pi will get rid of Liu Xie in the end.

 

3. Killed by Sima Yi secretly to help his master Cao Pi become Emperor.

 

4. Killed by Jia Xu. Will Jia Xu help his elder classmate? Will Jia Xu at least stay neutral?

 

I place my bets on the 'wolf'. It's going to be Sima Yi IMO. Sima Yi will be concentrating more and more power to himself, and his intentions are as clear as day to most of them. Xun Yu and Jia Xu will try to restrain him, but they are no match for him now that Guo Jia is dead. Of course he wouldn't do it directly, but probably scheme and manoeuvre in a way that either Cao Cao or the emperor would be forced to sign the execution order.

 

Cao Cao would not kill him (willingly) I think. He values him and his skills too highly for that. In that arc where he 'saves' Liu Xie from Li Jue and Guo Si, Cao Cao remarks why people like Guo Jia (who would have better suited Dong Zhou) and Xun Yu (who would be better suited for Yuan Shao) serve him. No, its not going to be Cao Cao.

 

And I don't think its gonna be Cao Pi either. Besides the reason Firebird Watermirror gave, he is also being tutored/mentored by Jia Xu, who would definitely do everything in his power to save Xun Yu. 

 

Jia Xu would definitely side with his shixiong IMO because he knows Xun Yu's value. I think his closeness to Cao Pi would serve as his protection badge when Sima Yi finally moves against the geniuses. 

 

But I'd wait and see. Nothing is certain with Chen Mou! I'm personally waiting for the Battle of Heife, where Zhang Liao would charge into a 100,000 strong army with 800 men.... 

Guys, how do think Xun Yu and Xun You will die? In chapter 344 Xun Yu once again swears his loyalty to Emperor, and that the Emperor will be safe on his throne "as long as he remains". Because Xun Yu's loyalty ultimately lies with the Emperor rather than Cao Cao, Xun Yu will become a thorn in Cao Cao's side sooner or later. This being Ravages of Time, it's hard to predict what will happen.

 

1. Killed under orders from Cao Cao. Does Cao Cao value Xun Yu enough to tolerate him?

 

2. Killed under orders from Cao Pi. We know that Cao Pi will get rid of Liu Xie in the end.

 

3. Killed by Sima Yi secretly to help his master Cao Pi become Emperor.

 

4. Killed by Jia Xu. Will Jia Xu help his elder classmate? Will Jia Xu at least stay neutral?

 

I think Cao Cao (who doesn't really want the throne, so long as he's running the show) regards Xun Yu highly enough, so maybe he won't be the instigator. I don't know about Cao Pi, if he would be that ruthless early on (or if Jia Xu and Sima Yi will steer him in that direction... even if Cao Chong would have to be sacrificed in the succession struggle). Guo Jia and Yang Xiu have already ensured that the influence of Xun Yu and Jia Xu will decline to pave the way for Sima Yi's rise to prominence.

 

Sima Yi might play a role in Xun Yu's demise, or it could be that Xu Shu (currently in Sima Yi's camp, but still acting as Zhuge Liang's insider agent) or even Xun You (who isn't as benevolent or loyal to Han as his uncle) would be involved. So many other factors to consider (and given that there are more things to cover before this, Chen Mou could add a bunch of other characters who we may consider as suspects)

 

In any case, it's nice to see a bit more discussion on Ravages...


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